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Posted by | "Neotenous"/"insular dwarfism" |
🥀 (#12402) Heavenly View Forum Posts Posted on 2018-07-07 17:13:17 |
There are so many ugly and some very disturbing suggestions here... so I thought of why not a cute pleasing to the eyes "mutation"! ~~~ (scroll downer for other mock-up sketches) *changed name to “neotenous” (used to be called "petite") other name: "insular dwarfism" It’s a smaller lion (and cuter) -Maybe the size of a leopard or cheetah? -It would be healthy and breed-able. Can be Kinged. -Inheritable? Can be passed down by both mother and father. ? -It will be for all age stages. Doesn't need to have different artwork for newborn and young cub, 'cause those are already small (that artwork could be resized smaller, if needed). The effect it could have in game-play could be: - That it has less chance when catching big preys (on its one it cannot), but more likely to catch small preys. - It is harder to breed, more chance to fail breeding, and if bred with Primal there's a 50 chance of cub mortality even with nesting (Primals are huge). *But if this coding is too much trouble then just make them not able to breed with Primals and 25-50% chance of failing breeding for "small" male studs with any non-"small", (females already have a fertility %). - Shorter gestation periods and sexually mature faster. (took that from wikipedia.) *could be hard to code, so ignore it? - Stat penalty. ~~~~ Neoteny: "Some common neotenous physical traits in domesticated animals (mainly dogs, pigs, ferrets, cats, and even foxes) include: floppy ears, changes in reproductive cycle, curly tails, piebald coloration, fewer or shortened vertebra, large eyes, rounded forehead, large ears, and shortened muzzle."(from wikipedia) Neoteny is very common in humans! This suggestion only refers to mammalian neoteny, and neoteny does not affect every physical traits in all cases: neoteny = the retention of some juvenile characteristics in adulthood So in theory, these lions can have normal full manes. The neotenous lion doesn't need to have shorter gestations and mature sexually faster. ~~~~ Insular dwarfism the "pygmy elephant" is a good example click and info: click In looks It's not identical to the "dwarfism" mutation here, because the body is proportionate, limbs will be average or slightly shorter but not really noticeable. (Made edit pics to show that. above.) This type can be healthy and have a life span similar to their bigger relatives (both the pygmy elephants and asian-african elephants can live up to 70 years, and the pygmy sexually matures faster:10yrs. vs14yrs) *Got another idea: what if you can get this mutation when breeding with dwarfs? (edit: Not, 'cause insular dwarfism is completely different from that type of dwarfism that actually deforms the body proportions. and insular dwarfism is evolution/species adapting to an environment.) Lioden includes Madagascar? (click) so pygmy lions can be a thing here...? ~~~~ I'm not suggesting amphibian's paedomorphosis (or for this "mutation" to be called Paedomorphosis.) Axolotl are pedomorphic species, but they are not described with the word neoteny (click) Info! :D (from encyclopedia britannica) Paedomorphosis: "retention by an organism of juvenile or even larval traits into later life. There are two aspects of paedomorphosis: acceleration of sexual maturation relative to the rest of development (progenesis) and retardation of bodily development with respect to the onset of reproductive activity (neoteny). Classic examples include certain amphibian species in which development is arrested so that the larval form and aquatic habit persist as the organism attains sexual maturity and becomes capable of reproduction. In some species only a few morphological features are retarded, but the number of features retarded may differ from species to species. Adult humans, for example, display various neotenic body features that other adult primates do not. In other species all morphological development is retarded; the organism is juvenilized but sexually mature. Such shifts of reproductive capability would appear to have adaptive significance to organisms that exhibit it. In terms of evolutionary theory, the process of paedomorphosis suggests that larval stages and developmental phases of existing organisms may give rise, under certain circumstances, to wholly new organisms." Source: (click) ~~~~~ It seems, the difference between neoteny and insular dwarfism, (of mammals), is that: neoteny usually is that juvenile-like traits are being selected for/ passed down) and insular dwarfism happens in isolated groups. Both seem to be gradual mutations/evolution. both natural and artificial selection pass down the traits of juvenile appearance and smaller size. but in some cases retention of juvenile appearance can be sudden..? In both, it shouldn't really affect the mane growth, since these animals sexually mature, manes are sexual characteristic, example: insular dwarfish= pygmy elephants have tusks; and neoteny= human have beards and body-hair (scarce beards/bodyhair is seen in asians, but many do have full long beards). Mane size and fullness is dependent on its own genes and on hormones mostly. Lets imagine its a barbary-mane pygmy/neotenous lion? xD ~~~~~ On how to obtains these small lions: If it's not considered a random mutation maybe this could be the scenarios: - Your lion bred with a mystery pygmy/neotenous lion and got an offspring. like with the hybrids(Leopons). - A Rapid evolution like the Primals are (they are rapid-devolution?). Mutie on Demand? - *You encounter a pygmy/neotenous lioness in explore and claim like the NCLs. Could be during an event only, like the groupies? Or a Raffle lioness. (in this case it will be a special "mutie" only obtained like these?) *Mutations in these game are not always true mutations, hybrids and ancestrals(evolving back) are called mutations here. Not every "mutation" needs to be super realistic. ~~~~~ Maybe could be the ofspring of that? 😂 (t'is a joke) ~~~~~~~ Let’s make Lioden Cute! (some balance is needed, its too gory and gruesome) (It would be awesome it could be bought at some time like a Mutie on Demand item) |
Maggi (#179403)
Pervert View Forum Posts Posted on 2020-09-11 19:32:28 |
I think I read somewhere that we ourselves are neotonus, or that our ancestors were neotonus even. 0 players like this post! Like? |
Mwothman (#138189)
Spicy View Forum Posts Posted on 2020-09-11 19:51:58 |
Yep. My point is in this cause it could be humans trying to breed 'cuter' lions. I think this would be best as a march based even quest, akin to the demiurge. 1 player likes this post! Like? |
Maggi (#179403)
Pervert View Forum Posts Posted on 2020-09-11 19:56:47 |
Ky ( •ө• ) (#2105) Sapphic View Forum Posts Posted on 2020-09-11 20:07:41 |
I personally don't think its different enough from dwarfism to warrant being its own thing, but I think it would be quite neat if it was a unique 'fail' of dwarfism. Dwarfism cannot normally pass naturally but perhaps a dwarf lion has a small chance of producing neotenous offspring rather than normal lion cubs. 0 players like this post! Like? |
🌵 SpicyKale 🌴 (#184461)
View Forum Posts Posted on 2020-09-11 20:35:57 |
I love the idea that it would be tied to march, and humans. 'Domestic' lions sounds like a great suggestion, although it do feel like as someone mentioned earlier the manes shouldn't be quite so visible. I also love the idea of a curly tail, it's adorable. 0 players like this post! Like? |
Maggi (#179403)
Pervert View Forum Posts Posted on 2020-09-11 20:41:01 |
I was just thinking of that! But I'm not sure if it can actually be connected to dwarfism because even tho it's called neotenous dwarfism/insular dwarfism because the way that they are done are in two different ways, though i think it would be cool if the spotting in the cub bases were also in the neotenous dwarfs or something like that though that would be a bit hard to do (maybe a semi-transparent layer over the markings and under the lineart instead?) 1 player likes this post! Like? |
Ama (#183150)
Maneater View Forum Posts Posted on 2020-09-13 17:18:32 |
Seirykun (Mitsuki) (#198285)
View Forum Posts Posted on 2020-09-13 18:26:04 |
True! I really love it, if not as it´s own mutation it could be a variation to Dwarfism Maybe as some said before not as a passable mutation but using items, and as other said maybe as a "fail" of dwarfis who knows It won´t mean that all cubs dwarf will have if not a dwarf then this mute, there would still be cubs with no mutation and one possible mute with maybe 1% of being this mute. So that meaning that it would only be possible with Lion Scrotum. Or maybe it could be the result of CRB, one could get any of the other mutes (pie, patches, AMP, bobed tail, etc) and this new mut. (That of course if we consider it a separete mutation from Dwarfism) But I really would love the idea of it being a variation of Dwarfism. I have read of how the dwarf market had gone down, there used to be a time they where way more expensive as a Hybrid heat but now some are sold for 15 and that isn´t even the price of a Lion Scrotum (also the price of buying one scrotum for their heat, the possibility of not getting a dwarf and if getting one not being that "worth it" doesn´t help), so with this mute there could be something to rice it a bit again and so if you are lucky you might get this new mute! Also Zizi your edits are good! Of course they would be different if it´s implemented but so far it shows well what you mean and want with this babies 0 players like this post! Like? |
primitive (#159691)
View Forum Posts Posted on 2020-10-04 13:32:04 |
They are so cute omg! I'd love to have a few of these bad boys in my den! (If this isn't added- i'd love to see a custom decor of it!) 0 players like this post! Like? |
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Crowley (#114224)
UwU View Forum Posts Posted on 2021-04-04 14:31:14 |
I think it’s a good idea but a little too similar to dwarfism, and if it were to have a appearance like being piebald it may be a little op. Like those wanting double mutations. So if we stripped it and made it an original thing that wasn’t comparable to dwarfs I’d be all for it, I just think it’s pointless having two different mutations that look the same/ can be compared easily 0 players like this post! Like? |
JAX • 3.12.21 9/15 | 13/15 BO (#98288) Bone Collector View Forum Posts Posted on 2021-04-19 10:13:35 |
Downvoted for unnecessary rudeness towards the beginning. 0 players like this post! Like? Edited on 19/04/21 @ 10:14:01 by Jaxdaw|[Maziwa RL Dopp|CLEAN] (#98288) |