Why are you ok with all the other deformities and mutations but draw the line at Type 1 Diabetes when animals are confirmed to be able to have it and a Type 1 Diabetic is the one who submitted the idea?


Bringing up mental illness as a comparison when they’re in entirely different leagues is also kinda uncalled for when one has never been implemented.

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I agree with you, some suggestions are just plain over the roof. It's already enough we got things that people know push the limits and still think it's okay, like somehow everyone will just "yea, idea so terrible that it needs to be added!" But that's just my opinion.... Is it not enough we got these fantasy bases? Why can't it stop there please.... The literal whole point of this game is to be a REALISTIC lion sim, yet it's already pushing those boundaries. Come on now, some common sense please... And BOUNDARIES would be nice...

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I agree with this. A lot of these suggestions have been very insensitive, whether it's the wording or the actual suggestion I'm unsure.
But I really would rather not see a lethal or even a mutation with something like, depression? It's not a mutation, it's a mental illness.

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1.) I didn't know Type 1 Diabetes were confirmed in animals. So I apologize for not being informed. And not once on that thread did it say that it was confirmed in animals. I thought usually there has to be evidence on mutation suggestions. And like I've mention, just because one person is okay with it, doesn't mean someone else is.

2.) I only mentioned mental illness because a suggestion was submit about one before. It has been removed though. And I had to use a different example to not bring up old drama. And if I didn't mention it, someone might have thought that those kinds of suggestions would be alright.

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Yes, and mental illness is not only something to not mess around with, it's not a mutation or deformity. It's a sickness, a disease. And people don't seem to understand that. Going to a therapist should be as normal as going to the doctor. But yet it is frowned upon, or people think there is something wrong with you or your not "normal". Whatever that may be, anyways

Enough of my rambling XD

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I'm also sorry, if I offend anyone by using depression as an example "mutation". But if it's not allowed to be talked about as a "mutation". Why would it be okay for it to be suggested as one?

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I'm honestly on the fence with this. I've heard people call someone "insensitive" for posting a suggestion for their thread with an illness they themselves have. If anything, hdhd or diabetes is less insensitive then say, lethal mutations, since kids have died from those. (I know diabetes has danger too, I meant the adhd part.) In my opinion, I don't put a lot of thought into "realism" in this game, seeing as how we have colorbomb lions, and angels, demons and other such mythical creatures for events. I agree with adhd/depression and other such illnesses are not mutations, tho. I kind of feel like this thread will bring others down and make them feel bad (Even tho that's not your intent), so again, I'm not sure how I feel on this, sorry. ;w;

Edit: I really hope I don't sound rude or anything in this post, I am in no way trying to make anyone feel bad, just stating my opinion <3

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I support this, but in the Type 1 Diabetes suggestion the person suggesting it both has Type 1 Diabetes and provides evidence of it in animals, so I won't be removing my support from that thread.

Other than that, I feel this is needed. Mental illnesses especially are far from mutations and would be incredibly insensitive to suggest let alone implement.

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Immense support from me. I've seen quite a bit of mutations suggested that were.... hmm... not very palatable and I think it would be helpful for staff to draw some hard lines on what could be a worthy mutation suggestion and what really shouldn't be suggested and why.

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Support! I've seen too many suggestions that aren't mutations at all, or certainly wouldn't be found in lions. They're really insensitive, especially for anyone who does fit into the category being called a "mutation" on certain threads.

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Except, most of the mutations you listed as 'undocumented' in lions are found in the animal kingdom and, more specifically, cats. A lot of mutations in the game are things you don't see in lions and it's unknown if they could get these diseases. Their are thousands of documented cases of felines with Diabetes (I happen to know two, actually!) and a quick Google search shows that Narcolepsy and Cataplexy are both diseases in the animal kingdom.

I can agree with no mental illnesses but not on the chronic conditions and medical conditions. Things shouldn't be censored just because it could be offensive to people because it's natural. Same thing with all the graphic decor complaints, they're natural and shouldn't be censored just because people don't like it or could be offended/triggered by it.

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Hello there, thank you for sending nonsense hate to my inbox by talking about my Type 1 Diabetes Thread :)

But you want proof? I can give you plenty of proof of T1D in the animal kingdom. I didn’t know I needed to submit proof of a common autoimmune disease, but here we go.
Cats T1D and T2D
T1D In Dogs

I know and recognize not everyone will approve of it. But I find it incredibly offensive and insensitive people are calling me wrong about a disease I have had myself for years. Other threads that are highly praised (the narcolepsy one, for example) doesn’t have examples of it in lions either. How is it insensitive when every Type 1 Diabetic and close family member of a T1D have said they’d enjoy it? It got to a point where I had to stop looking at the thread and my inbox due to people convinced I’m wrong about my disease when everything they say is “wrong” is indicative of Type 2 Diabetes, not Type 1. I feel like my thread was one where people saw “Diabetes” and went that they knew someone with it and felt it was insensitive even though, nine times out of ten, the person they know has Type 2. My disease is lethal if untreated and I can’t just recover from Type 1, It’s not how Type 1 works. Yes, I got snappy at one point in my replies, but imagine after nearly 6 years of having Type 1, people are still conflating it with Type 2 and are assuming you’re at fault for your own disease. Or that I can cure myself, and I just don’t want to. In my opinion, having a disease is the best kind of proof for what that disease can do. You can’t discount someone’s experiences with it and say “well you didn’t give me proof” when they are the proof.
Why is stuff like deafness and cleft palette being lethal perfectly fine when there’s people with those who have played this game? My sister has a cleft palette and she’s perfectly healthy. What if someone with dwarfism plays this game and gets upset because, objectively, dwarves are inferior lions due to stat drops. What if someone with a skin condition like vitiligo finds Piebalds and Patches lions in bad taste? What if someone with albinism finds the achromia mutation offensive? I’m not saying they would, but all of this never stopped people from loving these mutations. I’d like to see education about my disease spread and I suggested it with that in mind. Not people calling me an idiot for not understanding my own disease. You may be offended by someone suggesting their disease but you didn’t need to make a witch-hunt, whether you meant it or not. It’s not your disease, you can just “No Support” and move along. And don’t conflate the disease with the tasteless, insensitive mental illness suggestions. It’s not even close to the same thing.

Sorry for the rant. This thread annoys me for a lot of reasons. Mostly because you specifically targeted my suggestion and it caused uninformed people to try and fight me on my disease. You yourself were even uninformed earlier, I didn’t know it wasn’t common knowledge that anything with a pancreas (every single mammal ever almost) can get Type 1 (or even two) diabetes. I guess I should have with all the misinformation surrounding my disease.

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You say you don't think illness should be viewed in a bad light, but no illness is benign. That's just a fact. The already existing lethals are also based off of horrifying real things people go through somewhere in the world. Actually, including conditions like these gives a level of awareness normally not presented on most platforms. Real lives are lost to these things. There's a significant amount of weight to these problems. There are deaf players on this game, and we have the deaf mutation which has the potential to be lethal. Arguably, in order to keep it more "real to life," the mutations MUST be based off real conditions, of which many, many animals share on the basis that the function of organs and a degree of shared DNA presents common problems. if you're here to play a realistic sim, be prepared for realistic hardships to be presented.

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I think the main issue here is the fact that mutations are different from illnesses in many cases, which is why when an illness is suggested as a mutation, it's not amazing to hear, especially when said illness is most definitely not some sort of mutation.

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