Posted by [JUNE] Adjust Shop Prices [+411/-14]

jester [im autistic]
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2023-06-03 16:27:54
To put it frankly, the prices associated with the June event are absolutely ludicrous. A single base applicator costs 400KB, but there's 5 in the shops. Let's say you're incredibly productive and you manage 100KB a day (an unrealistic goal for most players), you'll only manage 3,000KB in the month. If you spend that all on bases, that's 7 bases. And that's assuming you buy no decor, and you always manage exactly 100 every single day.

To actually show you how impossible this is, I'm going to do some math real quick. Scary, I know. Let's say that someone doesn't sleep, at all, the entire month of June. They are on nothing but Lioden the entire time, but don't use Roasted Lambs, and they use 11 Energy Bars a day (the 9 full ones you get per day + the daily bonus + hyperactive + enclave boost). We're also going to assume someone gets a Snake Encounter for every step they take in explore, and they win every single one, and they use every single KB they get on bases.
They earn 220KB a day, 6160 for the month. That's a total of 15 base apps, for no sleeping, just continuously playing Lioden, under ideal conditions in explore. "But Jester, what about the quests?" Daily quests boosts them up from 15 base apps to 16, as you only get 10KB per day from them, and you can only do 28 of them for the month. This means that, as of 2024, when the new base apps are added to the June shop, you cannot get 1 of each base by swapping between Gods. You will not be able to by earning 220KB a day.

Now, to do the math with sleeping, we're going to take 8 hours away from that, for a total of 16 hours a day. Adding in what we did earlier, that's about 7.5 energy bars a day. Under the same ideal conditions, and doing nothing but Lioden when you're awake, that's 4,350KB, or 10 apps. Even adding in the extra 280KB you get from daily quests, that’s 11 base apps for the entire month. Doing nothing but Lioden and sleeping, and only spending your KB on base applicators. With this, you can't even get one of each base app that's currently in the shop.

These numbers are also only for one account, but also in ideal conditions where you get an encounter every step, win every battle, and spend no other energy on breeding/stud requests. For less than ideal conditions, these numbers would drop dramatically. AKA, these numbers are physically impossible. I've found some of the highest earners in June to only be averaging about 100KB a day, if that. That's only 2800KB a day, or just 7 base applicators for the entire month. For context, I bought seven Spicy Ice apps from December, and that's not even all I got.

That means for each base app in the shop, if you do nothing but sleeping and playing Lioden, no taking breaks, no stopping to eat, no anything, you can only get 2 the entire month. To take a month with comparable base applicator values, like February with the Cherry Blossom base, you can get more than DOUBLE that amount and still have enough event currency left over to do some decor shopping.

It's just ridiculous that bases cost this much with the amount of them that are now tied to the month, and are required for breeding rare and pretty popular combos as well.

Another potential option is to drastically increase the amount of KB provided by each snake, up to around 10KB a battle, like the October Night Creatures provide. That would make grinding June actually worth it, and not just a slog sandwiched between two battle heavy months that leads to extreme burnout. Though, to be honest, I think both should be implemented together, especially now that they have two shops that use KB, and plan to increase both shops loads every year.

POST JUNE DEV UPDATE:
No real changes in the amount of KB that I've noticed. All the new encounters seem to be quest locked and with no information about them on the wiki, I can't really see if their numbers are any different. From what I've noticed with the quests I've gotten, it doesn't appear to be so. In fact, both the find a cultist encounter and the find a boat encounter don't even reward KB, just a +50EXP and a quest completion.



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Edited on 24/06/23 @ 06:57:57 by jester 🏳️‍🌈 (#187561)

TheCrazyGiraffeLady (#47268)

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2023-06-13 13:31:01
I have been grinding this event - my job allows me that privilege and this week, I’m on annual leave so I have all the time to grind to my hearts content.
But even with my grinding, I’ve made ~800 KB which for the 13th of the month, it ridiculously low compared to other months.
Sure, you could say that 800KB is for 2 base apps, and at this rate I could have 1600KB by the end of the month. But take into account I grind like this to buy the base apps to raffle them at Christmas for others to have a chance. Suddenly all my grind gets into 4 apps at max.
Then if I want decors - which I do because I love ancient Egypt and all its history - then I have to choose between my selfish desires and gifting others extremely rare items at Christmas.
I shouldn’t have to choose to that extreme, it’s ridiculous. Yes, you could argue just get 2 apps and send the rest of decor, but that would be ignoring my point about helping others.

Also, like I’ve stated - I have the luxury of being able to grind because my job currently is very chill. But I don’t know if next week I will have this time to chill or if my job reverts to the chaos I know it can be.

So just because you don’t mind the grind or are happy with the ridiculously high prices, maybe think of others and how they feel. Not everyone can spend the time on this game, not everyone can grind for hours a day to defeat 10 stupid snakes. Some of us grind for ourselves, some of us grind to make Christmas special for others.



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Edited on 17/09/23 @ 18:49:31 by 才藤 (#389089)

[♰] Yharnam (#112370)

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2023-06-13 13:33:14
I think it's entirely unfair to suggest players who face difficulties others don't should have to sit out an entire event. Events are universal in Lioden, and need to be accessible to everyone. Unlike earning loads of GB to partake various breeding challenges with steep startup costs, events have always been an equal opportunity for players to earn and get nice things.

In its current state, this thread is proving it is a challenge to beginners and veterans alike.



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[♰] Yharnam (#112370)

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2023-06-13 13:37:23
RE: Combo Breeding & Apps

I breed Souls - which require Ivory Apps.
Despite the number of lions I've bred, the amount of apps I've purchased, and the amount of lions who have died without ever passing a combo, Ivory Apps are still obtainable so I can keep my project going. They don't top out in price until roughly September that I've seen, and that gives me a big window of affordability.

But that 5 - 8 GB per app racks up.
Low pass rate means I might go through 3 - 5 apps before I see a Soul.

Even during its drop month, these apps are expensive, and their price crawls upward to 50 GB out of season.

It's not sustainable.



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2023-06-13 13:39:35
I will stay with my decision, the shop prices are fine as they are. And as said before, adding 1 or 2 non battle encounters would be ok, but I would not like any other changes.



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jester [im autistic]
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2023-06-13 16:23:38
Not everyone is going to agree with this suggestion guys, and it’s okay! I can definitely see some of Tharkenta’s points. My main gripe with June being the way it is is that it is the only event that is this punishing to grind. If every other event was like this, I would be fine with it! Or even just half of them.
But with a ton of decor bloating the shops, not to mention Canopic Jellyfishes, which are the only item that do what they do, and are only available in this month. I think it’s a bit unrealistic to keep June exactly the same. If you get 14KB a day, that’s not even a singular base app, because you can’t earn KB for the first two days of the month, only staring on June 3rd. That’s also only 2 Canopic Jellyfishes for a month of grinding.

My numbers in the original post are also under 100% ideal conditions, aka, they’re just not possible. I’ve seen people grinding with Roasted Lambs only manage about 90KB a day. I’ve also calculated everything as only buying shop apps. If you want to spend half your KB on decor, you’re boned. I’m just not sure why they chose this event out of all of them to be so grind heavy, especially considering it’s the precursor to the July-October madness they know they’ve set up for themselves at this point. I just want it to be a fun experience for all players, like other events are, because not everyone has a stockpile of June decor from earlier months where they don’t have to buy any now except the new ones. Not everyone has also experienced the month previously, or this may be their first month, and this is a really, really punishing (and confusing) month to join during.



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[♰] Yharnam (#112370)

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2023-06-13 17:28:36
RE: Only event this way. Same. The other events not being like this have set the expectation that the events need to be fair and equal access. Even if the devs came out and said "hey, we intended for this event to be very hard and it might not be for everyone" that would be better than not acknowledging it.

And if that were the case, they could just, IDK, toss some Pride events in for everyone else to enjoy? Like, that'd be a nice middle ground if it's INTENDED to be very hard.

I can't help but feel that this issue is a legacy issue. That they just didn't think about adjusting the numbers once the shops got this big.

If you look at every other event, they roll back the prices of older apps. Doing THAT would be a boon.

I use roasted lambs a lot this month, and pound human livers to ramp my attack. I still just don't encounter enough snakes to really get the things I want.

The gap between decors and bases is what's strange. In other events, the BGs are something like 25% cheaper than bases? Here, bases are 400 and Backgrounds 40. Pardon?

It legitimately feels like an oversight, not intent.

I've said before that this event being between May and July is absolutely draining. ESP because July is one of my fave drops event-wise. And this event wipes me out.

It is *very* punishing, and it's entirely possible the difficulty curve of this month might drive players away. There's just more downsides than up-sides to keeping this month as is.



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Edited on 13/06/23 @ 17:29:05 by [♰] Yharnam (#112370)

Thalath {Side} (#43831)

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Posted on
2023-06-13 17:34:09
Also re: bases

The applicator bases themselves have low pass rates. You'd be lucky to have that base pass a single time in a lion's lifespan, and you need TWO of the bases to make the combo base. Kings can have the base "forever", sure... but you need lionesses with the base(s) too. You would want multiple of these applicators. Even disregarding that, expecting a player to keep a king for multiple lifetimes to pass a base one (1) time is still absurd, and good luck getting multiple BO traits when that base finally passes LMAO

It does encourage trading in some form, but I still think the prices are much too high. Is this the only event that doesn't lower the prices of old applicators?



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Edited on 13/06/23 @ 17:35:02 by Thalath {Side} (#43831)

[♰] Yharnam (#112370)

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Posted on
2023-06-13 17:37:50
I believe it's the only one, yes.



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Siyvee (#46507)

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Posted on
2023-06-13 18:09:57
For the love of everything holy PLEASE adjust the encounter chances for the new things. The quests are IMPOSSIBLE to finish, especially if you want to actually fight the snakes as well and get any event currency that day. We're getting even more of an SB sink than before, with no way for even non casual players to get those unless we use Energy Boosts/Lambs. Which, to be fair, might actually be the goal there

It's been extremely hard to enjoy playing during this event and I have A LOT of free time daily
I can't even imagine a casual player trying to enjoy any of this



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2023-06-13 18:58:25
SUPPORT! i slaved my tail off on both accounts just to get the KB for 1 base. that included using up most of my roasted lambs and staying up all night. the rent is too damn high! LOL! pay out more KB! and when i choose the snakes as my quest-none are to be found. i waste all my energy all damn day just to find maybe 10 damn snakes? so i just go with 20 general enemies.



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Jack Pepsi 🥃 (#439586)

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2023-06-13 19:20:15
I have wasted a lot of energy bars on this quest I have currently and when I found the the stone thing that Anubis wanted it didn't even count so I have barely made any KB for today because of these new quest's and the snakes my god the snakes they just pound you into fine powder a lot of the time so I support this fully



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2023-06-13 21:56:40
I have been hauling this event, spent almost all my lucky feet and I can't get 2 apps from the store (both side and main combined!) . I'm saving all my beetles just for apps, no decor. I was soo excited to do this event for the first time, I absolutely Love the theme, but I'm struggling with this difficulty . I'm losing most of the time, left Anubis and went to Seth just so that I would lose a tiny fragment less.

Am I doing something wrong? Is my king too weak? IDK

Edit: oky so staying in the level one area helps a bit, the slithering minions still hit with 16-20 damage, but its almost like they miss more



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Edited on 16/06/23 @ 12:44:39 by 🌌DarkSpaceNova🌌G2 Panda (#334558)

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Posted on
2023-06-13 22:53:03
I concur that this sucks and should be fixed for all of the reasons previously mentioned.

I was pretty excited about the Ra base. I think it’s beautiful. Now I’m like “lol I’m never getting that a day in my life.”



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2023-06-15 04:35:00
I hate that the only way to get event currency is through fighting because that automatically eats up 10% of ur energy when you’re successful. That’s not mentioning how much of a pain in the ass it is when your quest involves non event NPCs and suddenly they dropped off the face of the planet. The gods hardly help as well



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