Posted by [++] Lower Fertilities in Lionesses

Lukio (#7391)

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Posted on
2015-01-05 08:36:26

Hey everyone!

Something that has always struck me as odd is how easy it is to breed a lioness. Every article or video I've looked at about real life lioness conception shows that rates are very low. So when I saw that Very Low fertility goes up to 50% I was very surprised. Sounds pretty doable to me. So why, in a realistic sim, is getting that bun in the oven so easy?!

Here is what I propose:

• Lower fertility levels drastically to both lower cub populations and make pregnancies much more important in the game.

• Make NCLs have fertility levels no higher than average. Perhaps have a very small chance (3-5%) of getting a Goddess fertility NCL?

• Find a way to make the Average fertility levels actually be the average around Lioden.

• Have the fertility levels of High and above become more difficult to inherit.

• Revamp the coding for fertility inheritance to pass average fertility more often. *See below for explanation*


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Here are the current fertility levels:
Goddess = 100%
High = 90%-99%
Good = 80%-89%
Average = 70%-79%
Low = 51-69%
Very Low = 1%-50%
Infertile = 0%

I believe we should change them to look more like this:
Goddess = 100%
Very High = 80-99%
High = 50%-79%
Good = 40%-49%
* Average = 30%-39%
Low = 20-29%
Very Low = 1%-19%
Infertile = 0%

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* To elaborate on point 4: *
I believe we should incorporate some sort of coding into the fertility levels so that the bolded fertilities have the highest chance (50-80%) of passing on to cubs, making extremely high or low fertilities rarer.

Goddess => Goddess | Very High | High | Good | Average
Very High => Goddess | Very High | High | Good | Average
High => Very High | High | Good | Average | Low
Good => High | Good | Average | Low | Very Low
* Average => Good | Average | Low | Very Low
Low => Average | Low | Very Low
Very Low => Low | Very Low | Infertile
Infertile => Very Low | Infertile (With use of Chasteberry only)

***I am not suggesting *any* changes to the coat passing rates. I am only using the mechanics behind them as an example. ^,^ ***

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The reasoning behind this is to try and push fertility levels back down from an exceedingly easy rate of conception and back down to something a bit more challenging.

So what does this mean? Breeding becomes a bit more difficult, requiring more tries and energy. It becomes both more realistic and more of an achievement.

It also makes fertility levels more important when purchasing or selling lionesses - do you really want to have to work hard to breed that Very Low girl or would you prefer an easier (no pun intended) lioness? All of a sudden that Goddess fertility babe looks really nice...But of course, one can always fall back to Chasteberry or Tackweed as a last minute resort.

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Extra Points/Notes:

• Very Low fertility lionesses will still have the greatest chance of gaining mutations. That coding/mechanic should not change at all except to modify the percentages that Very Low girls have.

• I am not suggesting *any* changes to the coat passing rates. I was only using the mechanics behind them as an example. ^,^

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Other Ideas (Not officially part of the main suggestion):

• Fertility plays a part in litter size.
(Mentioned by ::VulpesFelis:BBro:OC::.. (#17507))

Let's take the presented new fertilities:

Goddess = 3-4 (cubs)
Very High = 2-4
High = 2-3
Good = 2-3
* Average = 1-3
Low = 1-2
Very Low = 1-2
Infertile = 0

Perhaps the more fertile the lioness, the more cubs will be produced. The numbers written would be AVERAGES, but any fertility level could still give you any number of cubs.

• Limited breedings by SquiggleBoof (#45520):
"I like any idea to help curb the current lion population... however to make to make it a bit more realistic have it so you can only attempt to breed a certain number of times per day. Yes this means that sometimes your lioness wont get pregnant but hey u can try again next week right? This will further make pregnancies all the more valuable and further help reduce the number of lions."

I'm not too keen on this implementation. Maybe instead of adding a limit we could raise the energy level needed for a breeding from 5% to 10% per fail and 10% to 15% per success?

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No Support: 15

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Cause:
a m b e r p e l t (#15417)
"I feel as if this is going to make the process of buying and breeding for cubs even more tedious than it already is."

Reply:
Lukio (#7391)
I must disagree because, with this system, the higher fertilities are meant to be very rare while average would be that: average. So, in my opinion, it could even increase the worth of some cubs with higher fertilities, while the lower fertility girls would still be wanted for mutation breeding.

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This suggestion has 478 supports and 55 NO supports.



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Edited on 13/11/15 @ 07:51:24 by Lukio *Lights On* (#7391)

shenanigans (#23653)


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Posted on
2015-05-14 10:01:25
Also, in response to Snowycat's ideas, I think, for miscarriages and cub deaths and the like there should be items to prevent, protect against this, and undo said damage. There should also be GB items to prevent litter size from decreasing, maybe something like Buffalo Scrotums but a bit more expensive? Also, there should be a limit to amount of times a lioness has mutated/dead cubs, as, for example, someone who buys a very nice lioness and has only two chances to breed her, but she is VLF, would likely be upset if their cub[s] died both times or had lethal/ mutations! Also, for the last breeding possible I think should at least guarantee one healthy cub.

For cub deaths, items should be available to prevent cubs from dying as well as perhaps a free choosing of one cub per litter to be guaranteed to survive to adulthood, maybe like assigning a pridemate "caretaker" to said cub and extra fee to assign caretakers to other lionesses.
I like the idea of lion sickness/mortality in general, which could be another topic altogether, though I think having a lot of users who really like their lions and can't afford protective items might even cause a lot of users to leave Lioden, or cause a lot of unhappiness like the stat cap update did for some.

Also, the implementation of an item like the Black Stallion for a few GB in Oasis would also be a good touch, I think, however, that item should only decrease the amount of energy needed for studding. Perhaps a
People who can afford it wouldn't be so unhappy then, I think. Herbs boost fertility but it can still use up quite a few tries, and then you have less of a chance of a mutated cub if that's what you want!

I hope I didn't miss anything, I'm kind of blabbering on here and might be unclear or have forgotten something.



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Edited on 14/05/15 by |:|SHENANIGANS|:| - FIGHT ME! (#23653)

Fenn the
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Posted on
2015-05-14 10:02:10
Did I say if I supported this yet?

because I doooooo.



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valentine ♥ (#34610)

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Posted on
2015-05-14 10:07:56
Definite support from me.



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🐝 Detective (#19805)

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Posted on
2015-05-15 10:50:36
I absolutely can't stand that "very low" goes up to 50%. It makes no sense to me xD So I support the new tiers.



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Meso (#49519)

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Posted on
2015-06-23 14:37:38
I support everything but the limited breedings and the energy cost change in the other ideas section



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Isabella Lena (#49545)

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Posted on
2015-09-01 02:42:00
I support.


indeed thin the very low ranche is way to big.. And how easy we can breed.

I also agree with the cubs. That a godess has more cubs than VLF. But I also think there can be a change.. Like 15% of the lioness with VLF have 3/4 cubs... Like a small change they can have more than 1/2.. I also like the idea of so many breedings a day. Maybe 60 tries a day max.

Idea:
What I also think is that males are also can give there fertillity... They have around the same fertillity like there mum.. It does not effect them, but they can give it to there cubs. When (mum of)dad has godess, and female has also godess, the cubs hase ...% more change of also getting godess.



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Lukio (#7391)

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Posted on
2015-09-01 07:08:10
@Isabella

I like your idea, but I think there's another thread that already suggests male fertility. :) Thanks for the support.



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Posted on
2015-09-02 13:30:13
I would support, but I've tried OVER 50 TIMES TO BREED A FUCKING 8% LIONESS AND SHE'S STILL NOT PREGNANT AND IT REEEEEEAAALLLLLYYYYY IRRITATES ME.

Just had vent that. :/

But other then that, I'm fine with it.



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♥ Kitty
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Posted on
2015-09-02 15:39:58
No support..

This would change value of VLF and Goddess lionesses.. VLF would be ALOT harder to breed and 1% take ALOT to get pregnant as it is.. I don't think VLF's should be lowered even more..



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Pixality (#56115)

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Posted on
2015-09-07 09:11:53
I'd support this if fertility levels actually affected the number of cubs produced from each litter.



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Isabella Lena (#49545)

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Posted on
2015-09-08 00:25:50
I agree. It is very enouying that you have a high fer lioness. YOu bred with her with a 600sb male and you get only 1 cub.,...,.. (luckly it is a good cub.. But what if it was bad one?)



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JelloRaptor (#32829)

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Posted on
2015-09-09 15:39:15
I really wish fert levels actually affected the number of cubs, it's just kinda unfair that you could boost a lioness's fert to be nice and high in hopes of getting 3-4 cubs and you only get one.



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GummyGabe [6k
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Posted on
2015-09-21 09:44:38
No support WHATSOEVER. ONLy for the SINGLE fact that lower fert girls will produce less cubs. That is the ONLy reason. Mutation breeding is hard enough. Trying to breed them afterwords will be a waste of time, money, and effort. And I hope this doesn't get passed because of that reason. Mute breeders give their money for the simple fact of not worrying about only getting one or two cubs from their very low ladies. This probably will drop Lioden funds because many of us will probably stop.



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Tasha (#39574)

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Posted on
2015-09-21 13:14:16
I support, but not the cub litter thing. Cause I love to have larger litters, while I mostly breed VLFs. Other than that I support.



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nadia (#47839)

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Posted on
2015-09-29 15:58:47
I support



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