@Nadir - I read your post about the cancer constellation and I totally feel you: lost my sister who played this game (@233247) from heart cancer.

There should at least be a warning, like when you buy something, that type of thing saying, "WARNING: The following page shows sensetive (bro I can't spell ) art/graphics. Are you sure you want to continue?"

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Still no support. To answer your, most likely rhetorical, question about your friend i would say don’t play the August event or just avoid the newsletter and don’t interact with anything involving scorpions. Some triggers I’ve seen people talk about are, quite truthfully, kinda silly for a game like Lioden. I mean this in a polite way but not every fear is gonna be included, such as scorpions, due to the fact that affects a very small portion of the playerbase. Players will bitch about their fear not being included as they always do when it comes to stuff they’re excluded from.

Yes, having the player base vote seems good at first but most players don’t vote on polls and, once again, hell to code. There’s a reason most games state in their epilepsy warnings to cease playing and interacting with a feature/the entire game if it triggers you.

I don’t mean to be disrespectful but Lioden is a game that’s all around kinda dark and has somewhat disturbing themes within so if people are easily disturbed they just shouldn’t play the game.

Edit: To the guy who got upset over me saying people would “Bitch about being excluded” have you ever interacted with the Lioden community? People are WILD. I’ve seen people get upset because a mutation they enjoy was not included in-game. My point was that even small “phobias” not being included (I.E. Needles, spiders.) would cause so much uproar.

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It is disrespectful though. An entire group of people shouldn't have to sit out events. Sites like Lioden that try to be inclusive aren't super common. It would be more pro-active to help think of ideas to accommodate the playerbase.

Accommodation for players is nothing new. Labfrogging kings, feminine titles for labfrogged kings, LGBTQ+ inclusion, warnings on events with animated sequences, turning off screen shaking, and expansion of the blocking system are all examples of Lioden adjusting and accommodating for players' comfort. And these adjustments haven't negatively impacted the game - nor players who don't use them.

It is, at the end of the day, not up to anyone but Lioden's coders to decide what is or isn't difficult to include.

But the arguments against it also aren't being well received because of how it's being spoken about.

Your fear is silly. Just get over it. Just don't play. You're just bitching.

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Honestly, I’m entitled to my opinions, you’re entitled to yours, I think it’s silly to implement a feature when Lioden is not only an all-around somewhat disturbing game but quite literally gives disturbing imagery warning. Once again, if you can’t handle it, don’t interact with it 🤷‍♀️

To anyone getting pissy over me mentioning it being potentially hard to code, I’m saying that it seems like an awful lot of coding and a big hassle for such a minuscule issue. Additionally, if for some weird reason this was ever implemented, CUSTOM DECOR SHOULD NOT BE INCLUDED because you can easily avoid them and also at some point people would just get ridiculous and complain about every little decor because truthfully a lot of people these days are just sensitive and dramatic. Also, as I’ve stated many times and you guys just skip over it, Lioden literally gives a disturbing content warning. You ignore it? That’s fully on you.

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I guess my question is why would it be so detrimental to add this “silly” feature anyway, given that there are clearly a lot of players who want or need a feature like this? And why should the majority of people who need a feature like this be excluded from playing the game on the grounds that some people with more specific phobias/issues/“stuff like that” would “bitch” (ask for their phobia/issue to be included)? Seems like the benefits greatly outweigh the detriments to me, especially given that some other posited solutions are to just quit the game instead, and that this really wouldn’t affect anyone who doesn’t need to use such a feature either.

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[ heartbroken ] [G10 ] (#209190) :: Unfortunately, if you check the threads for adding optional, choosable lion pronouns, you will find similar responses. People calling it silly and unnecessary, redundant, and so forth.

It feels like it comes from a place of insensitivity and lack of empathy, more than being from the perspective of who it's benefiting.

The simple answer to the question of, how is it detrimental, is that it isn't. Instead, the message we're seeing appears to be that because it deals with a topic that is considered shameful to acknowledge by many, it is deemed unnecessary and something which is viewed as acceptable to ridicule.

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Personally i dont have any issues with the content on lioden.

But i do really like Nadirs mockup. My only thing that is a bit to much for me on that mockup is insects aranchnids and snakes. To me that is just too censored. But graphic gore and sexual suggestive imagery are something i can defiantely support this idea with.

I do agree that lioden is already a mature game and only for mature audience (hints the 16+ rule), but there are defiantly a few ideas/encounters that I can see being super bothersome. Especially if its their first time and they dont expect it.

I do want lioden to maintain its rather mature audience and encounters but I do support optional censorship to some encounters that have super suggestive content (especially sexual) and extreme gore.

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The snakes/spiders/insects toggles are for phobia purposes- not a “make the game child-friendly” thing but something to help the folks who get extreme reactions from seeing imagery of them and would need a toggle to remove them. I get a really uncomfortable physical/mental reaction specifically from seeing the healing wounds maggot decor, for example, and would love to be able to toggle that decor off; only having suggestive content/gore toggles wouldn’t be helpful to me because I don’t personally react to those. I also don’t want LD to change in terms of audience & maturity level but I don’t really think adding toggles for phobias would impact that- it would just make it more comfortable to play.

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I get that but just personally I would rather them focus on the tings i mentioned rather than snakes, insects etc.

Like if they are gonna do this for anything i would strongly prefer them to ignore that and focus on sexual topics and gore.

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And that's just it.

Optional features are typically disabled by default. Users would have to set these manually.

Does this affect anyone who doesn't need them? Absolutely not.

But if a user comes into chat upset about the gore, sexual content, lethals, and so forth, we would have a place to direct them to turn the censor on. Not only will that person find relief and be able to enjoy the game normally, it speaks volumes about Lioden's willingness to make its game more accessible.

User-end optional features are a good thing! It's about curating your online space and being able to avoid upsetting content, while interacting normally. I think the mentality of 'suck it up or don't play' does way more harm than good and can easily lead to promoting toxic behaviours or even harassment on the site.

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I don't have the spoons to read all 6 pages of responses, so if this was already mentioned I don't know, but I wonder how practical something like the marking censor would be? In my experience it hides chased lions, so it could work for explore encounters too? So theoretically someone could choose specifically want things they want to hide. Though.... that is a lot of things to select, filter through, and explore encounters would require some definite naming. Maybe just a censor for decor, then?

I don't think people should have to avoid a profitable event if they want to play it. You can always block images with browser extensions, but it can be a pain in the ass.

I'm not personally bothered by things on here, but I have phobias and anxiety so I know how startling something unexpected can be.

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Hear me out.

We have a literal Marking Censor for people that have issues with certain markings.
In case this is news to anyone reading this; Marking Censor.

Here is a News Post if you are interested in that;

May Development Update #21 (Marking Censor post)

We can block markings. And markings are literally just an image as far as code is concerned...so the coding to block in-game images already exists on site, it's just that the list it's referencing is markings, right? So, what if it was expanded to include Decor and/or Custom Decor?

The Censor Page could be split into several different areas. Markings, Decor, Custom Decor, Etc..

Another thing would be that the 'Toggle to Show/Hide' Button that the marking censor uses wouldn't need to be repositioned for Decor or Custom Decor on the Lion Page.


Sure, if you're using a computer or laptop, you can already block images.
But this doesn't apply to anyone using mobile devices.

And it would also be nice to be able to block decor/custom decor using a feature that is already in the game.

For example; on the Marking Censor Page, if we type in, say, Margay, all markings with Margay in the name are filtered from the rest. We can then select which ones we want to block.

Now if we extend this feature to a Decor Censor the same would happen. Type in Spider and all decor that has Spider in the name would be filtered.
If there's other spider decor that doesn't have spider in the name, like the Mombasa Golden Starburst Tarantula, you'd need to type in part of it's name for it to be filtered.

As for Censored Item Icons, the image could be redirected to either a blank image or to an image stating that you have this Item Censored or something to that extent.
You could still interact with the item as usual, the only difference is that the Item Icon would be changed.


Nothing bothers you enough to censor it? Just forget the censor exists and don't interact with it!

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TLDR: Was going to post a suggestion in the Existing Feature Adjustment for the Marking Censor to be expanded to Decor/Custom Decor but remembered that this thread exists and figured that it would count as a duplicate suggestion so have my long wall of text instead. :P



Edit: I could also see this being able to be expanded to Explore Encounter/Event Images, as well. The image that is blocked could just be redirected to a blank/'you have this censored' image. Not sure that a 'view this image' toggle would be needed for Explore Encounters/Event Images, unlike the Lion Page, where you may want to still see the lion in some cases.

Edit, Edit: February Event 2024 News Post - Temporary Event Image Toggle for Explore

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Kit in a Box~⚙️~ (#61637) :: Thank you so, so much for digging this up and posting it! This is a really great point. The code already exists and it can simply be adapted if this is added.

This also really takes the power out of the argument 'it'd be too difficult'. Here it is, proof that it's not a nightmare to code. It already exists!

Thank you. :D

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bumping this thread bc i saw the maggot decor for january on accident and it made me feel yucky

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"We hope to begin extending self-censorship where possible for users to customise their own experience." - May Development Update #21. https://www.lioden.com/topic.php?id=304429397779

(editing to say thee typo is a direct quote and not my fault lol)

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