Posted by Censor sensitive art toggle

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2019-03-31 13:18:20
Addendum: I made this years ago and it still gets a little traffic. I don't know how exactly I feel about it anymore, however I think it's still important to leave up and on the table due to how many people care about it. There's still decor that bothers me, like the starving puppy/cub decors but I don't see an easy way for the team to make it so a player hides specific decor but not a bunch of others they don't want to hide. And then deciding what gets included: there's so many individual triggers and fears that it's impossible to really pick them all out. Looking back the amount of work this would take is more that I imagined back then, unless somehow the code for hiding pregnant lions is reusable. I'd still love to hear everyone's thoughts and takes on censoring sensitive art on the site, though, especially if you have actual experience in web development or the work end of things! Just please keep it civil and respect where others are coming from :>

Recently many people, including myself, have been bothered by the maggot decor in the event so I’ve changed the title to be more inclusive. This still applies to lethal art and any other grotesque art



This personally does not bother me, but I can see how it bothers some people. You can be looking through lions and come across a scary lethal, a lion with some scary decor, ect. While this is a 16+ game and certainly not for the faint hearted, some of these mutations and decors can strike certain phobias and are highly disturbing

As such, I think a toggle option to hide these things would be very useful.

The toggle could be located in den options?

This toggle will make it so that players who want to see the mutations are not affected, but those who don't won't have their experience spoiled!

perhaps when going to a lion with these decor/mutations, a pop up can show up saying "this lion has disturbing material. Proceed/Back" and perhaps a link to change the toggle can be included in the pop up.

It is NOT required but if you no support (since there is a lot) explaining your position would be helpful! Perhaps I can edit the suggestion





This suggestion has 279 supports and 152 NO supports.



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Edited on 29/10/23 @ 14:48:01 by Crimson| Colorbomb Sunset (#142304)

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2019-06-29 22:33:26
it's really not that hard to draw the line for what is appropriate and what is not. basically, if they wouldn't put it in a disney movie, people should probably be allowed to block it.

examples:
-disney characters have scars, but never bleed
-there are bones in the backgrounds of disney scenes, but never (to my knowledge) bones visible on a living creature (unless it's a literal animated skeleton)
-there are butterflies in disney movies, but no butterflies that eat ur eyes out :)

not because we're trying to disney-fy lioden, but simply because that's an easy way to draw the line, at least from my perspective

as for it being hard to code, unless ur in charge of coding it, that's not a problem for you to consider. if the staff think it's worth coding, then they'll code it. if not, they can be the ones to say so


edit;;
also, this suggestion is NOT for ALL TRIGGERING IMAGES, just decors. the discussion of events frankly belongs in its own topic, it's not relevant here. just because maybe we can't stop disturbing images in events doesn't mean that therefore there's no point to stopping any of it at all haha



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Edited on 13/05/20 @ 19:19:02 by Astrid (6.8K Ice 3xRos Svelte) (#124118)

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2019-06-29 22:45:27
I never read so much venom in a post before.



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Edited on 30/06/19 @ 11:12:24 by Chaotic Goat {#rawhides} (#49900)

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2019-06-29 23:11:14
lol im just sick of people using "it would be hard to code" as a reason for not supporting... that's not their call unless they code for the site. i'm sure a good bunch of them wouldn't care so much if they were the ones being paid to code it



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2019-06-30 02:00:00
No support.



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2019-06-30 11:09:18
You also have to note -this isnt a site that is made to be cartoonish or anything like Disney movies. This is a 16+ site, and most Disney movies are made for younger children. Going off of what would be appropriate for a Disney movie for a 16+ site is not the way to do things. I still keep my neutral stance on this. While I do understand that some of the decors and mutations can be triggering for some users, it's not an easily drawn line. What triggers one person might not trigger another. How does one determine what to toggle and what not to toggle? There's so many factors to consider, and every single user who might be triggered by stuff on the site could potentially be triggered by wildly different combinations of stuff. So who makes that call? Who decides what would get censored and what wouldn't? It's quite frankly a matter of opinion with each individual as to what triggers them, and like I said prior, no two people have the same exact triggers.



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2019-06-30 11:18:52
I think it's best to stick to the most broad/popular triggers. Like all the lethals, and heavily disturbing decor (like the dead lions, decor showing animal entrails or rotting animals, spiders). It is true we can't cater to every individual trigger, but by covering even just the lethals I think would be fine.



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2019-06-30 13:33:00
@zodiac: i'm not saying we turn this into a PG, disneyfied site, im saying the rules disney follows are the same rules that will avoid the most common triggers. no one's saying we have to make sure every single person feels 100% comfortable with every image, but are you really going to argue that there are no images that we can agree are generally disturbing? like a baby animal with one eye the size of it's shoulder or a little lion cub with bare skin and muscle? as for "who makes that call"? it's the staff. it's no big mystery— the staff makes the call. it's not like it will hurt you if you don't have any triggers— you can just turn the safe switch off and continue on as usual.

and, if you really wanna get picky about the 16+ thing and disney movies, here's an explanation. most disney movies (and im talking about cartoons here) are rated PG, to my knowledge. the next one up is PG-13. the next one after that is rated R. given that the content difference between PG and PG-13 is blurry at best, we'll look at the difference in ages. 16 year olds (like the ones on this site) would be free to walk into a theater and see a PG or PG-13 movie. however, they would need a parent or adult guardian to see an R-rated film. so my point was that things that would be in an R-rated film should, theoretically, have the safe mode option. now, obviously, that isn't possible for everything, nor would it keep everyone from being triggered, but you can't please everyone, ever. that isn't a reason to not try to please the majority. i think by blocking the lethal mutations and decor that include blood or exposed, living body parts that are not normally exposed, we can pretty easily save the majority of people with triggers from being triggered. sure, everyone's individual, but there are some common themes in the comments: blood and body parts. it's really not that hard to block off those two things.

i, personally, don't have any triggers that are illustrated on this website, but clearly some people do. it would be unkind to not support simply because i don't know exactly, to a T how it would work, when it could save some people from panic attacks? just click the support button if you support the idea of having a toggle to block lethal art and bloody decor. the suggestion isn't: block all triggering images from the site. it's:
Censor lethal/sensetive decor toggle
and literally only lists three (3) things that they suggest to be blocked by the toggle:
All lethal mutations, not including deaf
Blood decor
Dead lioness and cub decor
i don't think it will destroy the site for individuals to have the option to block that stuff.

tl,dr: it's not a suggestion to block all triggering stuff, just the bloody things. following the disney rule would achieve that, im not trying to turn it into a disney site, im saying the disney rule generally covers major triggers, with some exceptions that would be at the discretion of the admins



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Edited on 13/05/20 @ 19:20:27 by Astrid (6.8K Ice 3xRos Svelte) (#124118)

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2019-06-30 13:44:23
Fat rip for my man Zodiac.



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Edited on 30/06/19 @ 13:47:03 by Chaotic Goat {#rawhides} (#49900)

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2019-06-30 13:47:36
*shrugs* the above comment was edited so mine no longer applied.... a fat rip indeed



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Edited on 30/06/19 @ 13:51:28 by Kami (Ice Triple Rosette) (#124118)

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2019-06-30 13:49:20
Of course. Sleep well ^^ I definitely wasn't quick enough to avoid the fire though.



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2019-06-30 13:52:46
This has my support! I don't have any of these issues, but a friend of mine does; I've helped her use adblock to hide most of it for now, but an actual, site-wide toggle would be convenient for images added after I helped her.
(Also, if anyone needs help to block specific images, feel free to PM me and I will help anyway I can!)



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2019-07-29 08:38:04
I personally wouldn’t support this - I don’t mean to be harsh, but if a drawing of a bloody lion seriously leads you to a panic attack, it’s probably not the best idea to play a 16+ realistic breeding simulator



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2019-08-13 23:28:31
No support.
You need to be in charge of your own triggers. It says right up front this is is 16+ lion simulator with realistic aspects. If carcases and scars bother you, it's not up to the game coders to work around specific individuals. There's already disclaimers for epilepsy triggers and sensitive content and if you ignored this that's on you.
If you had a peanut allergy would you eat clearly labeled peanut butter then ask the makers to stop adding peanuts because it caused a reaction?



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2020-01-06 08:08:14
i'm sorry but no support. i would understand that some images may be a bit disturbing like rotting wounds but spiders/some blood/scars etc is an everyday stuff.
even mutations are not drawn in a particuliar scary way plus as some people said earlier: this was meant to be a realistic breeding game, and it's not very child/family friendly.
i have phobias as well: i'm scared of spiders so i don't watch videos about them and i don't apply spider decor unless spiders are not much visible.
censoring stuff is not right in my opinion. if you're scared of cyclopia/harlequin you don't have to stare at it or breed this mutation.
i'm sorry i don't want to be rude and i hope i'm not. this is just my opinion.



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Edited on 13/01/20 @ 11:02:15 by error 404 (#69266)

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2020-01-13 10:43:22
No support on my end as well.

I've seen things in real life that are gross, Saturday was no exception... but I also shed hunt (look for antlers in the winter) and I have seen things in the woods that I won't share only out of respect for those that are bothered by gross things.

The ticks last month bother me, but only from having Lyme disease as a kid. The maggots personally don't bother me, and some of the other things don't bother me either. But I also don't like the idea of toning Lioden down, it's already toned down in the RP aspect here to where I don't want to RP here anymore (but that's besides the point)

This wasn't meant to be a child friendly site, and like others have stated, there are warnings on site about the content. If you ignore them, it's on you. Not the developers or coders.



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