Posted by -LOCKED - [Jul] Don't turn Celestial/etc marks into apps

Agryo [Quitting] (#70050)


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2019-07-05 15:15:13
[EDIT: I bump this accidentally sometimes while looking at it again, this is SOLVED let's PLEASE not necro the post, Celestial Raffle marks are safe all's okay we can rest easy gjknktnkrgn]

Please, just don't.

Celestial, Skyward and Sidereal have been breed-only since their conception and users have greatly enjoyed working around the slots they are common in or finding new ones. They're well loved, especially Celestial Speckles, in the same vein as Feline 8 or a pretty Vitiligo or Margay.

People have spent years breeding these and priding themselves on breeding full Skyward/Celestial/Sidereal kings, or mixing and matching. Hell, we've had new slots introduced via Groupies and July Raffle girls to keep things fresh.

Don't make breed-only markings applicable, it removes all joy users get from working on breeding quads. Imagine the outcry if the white Vitiligo marks could be applied- months, years of projects and studs and careful breeding now no more valuable than a king with a pile of applicators slapped on in any order desired.

Either:
A) Leave them as-is, but perhaps popping up more rarely on July raffle lions (they're already common and appear on groupies anyways)

B) Retire them from the July spawn pool, so we work with the slots we have.

C) Introduce new markings in those colors as breed-onlys (Celestial Feline? Skyward Lace?) to revive interest but conserve their value and challenge. Imagine people trying for octa Skywards or something, rad.

D) Introduce new markings in the colors as applicator marks. I don't like this because then the definition of a quad X could just be one full of applicator marks (like 'octa vits' with three colored vits), but. Eh. Better than the original markings being apps.

If people want one of the marks? Buy a cub for cheap and breed it into their projects, like we all have done, or settle for an applicatior that creates a similar effect.

Don't mistake the love people have for these markings for a desire to have then handed to us. Please don't set this precident for turning Raffle markings into applicable ones <3

EDIT:

We cool we cool, Celestial and co won't be made into apps! Still a thread to look at for... I guess historical purposes?

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This suggestion has 369 supports and 98 NO supports.



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Edited on 04/04/20 @ 10:08:55 by Agryo [Project] (#70050)

Veni (#121432)

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Posted on
2019-07-05 15:48:06
I believe very strongly that Lioden should be a pLay to win game. That doesn't mean just grinding for event currency (that's what getting 'free' GB and buying assets from others is for ), but investing real thought, time, energy, and passion into the game. That wonderful feeling you get when RNG finally went your way and you were blessed with an amazing lion can only come from breeding. A beautiful lion and a beautiful lion one worked for are two vastly different things, even when compared to simply lucking out. There's nothing like the feeling of watching all your hard work pay off.



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Heda Vampiric (#56702)

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2019-07-05 15:56:08
Staff absolutely do not make them applicable. It spits in the face of years of hard work on some people’s part and just feeds into the slippery slope of handing things to people. Next thing you know people will be wanting onyx feline and white vitiligo to be an applicator. Don’t do it.
Support. Ty Aggy.



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11.24.17 RL Project (#141146)

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2019-07-05 15:58:18
supporting for all of the celestial, skyward and sidereal marking breeders out there!



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[2G Pie] (#4497)

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2019-07-05 16:01:52
Whoever is not supporting.., I just wanna talk :)
Joking aside, I remember when the marks were FIRST introduced they brought a whole new dynamic to the game. I began to breed for a reason and actually purchased my very first GB in order to breed that coveted full celestial. If you like the marks but don't wanna work for them then that sucks.



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Hex (#41384)


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2019-07-05 16:02:12
Supporting! I play to breed lions - this isn't build-a-bear, I don't want to be able to just slap whatever I want onto a lion. I want to be able to put time and effort into BREEDING these markings.



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Abstract | 5k
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2019-07-05 16:03:03
You know what’s sad is that poll is essentially geared towards failure for those of us who want to preserve the rarity of those markings and keep them breed-only. The majority will vote YES because they want an easy way to get those marks (that they otherwise would have never put the work in for). Why work hard for something when it can just be handed to you?




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Edited on 05/07/19 @ 16:04:09 by Abstract (#83917)

pretzelbear🥨 (#159405)

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Posted on
2019-07-05 16:06:47
play-to-win, not pay-to-win



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yeehaw country man (#122541)

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2019-07-05 16:07:39
@Abstract, thank you for putting into words exactly how I feel about this.



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KMFDM [kernnkraft] (#65181)

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Posted on
2019-07-05 16:08:06
I'd really like a reasonable explanation from the people that hit no support on why they don't support it :^(



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pretzelbear🥨 (#159405)

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2019-07-05 16:08:57
It's simply because they want an easy way to get the marks. They don't want to work for what other have busted their asses to achieve



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Blue [Full BO dawn] (#73123)

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2019-07-05 16:09:05
I already wrote a book on the news, but I REALLY love the idea of keeping the old marks raffle and making different marks in the same colors. That one rocks. It's a good way to refresh the old colors instead of shoving them to the side because they're old!

But God please no applicator for the old marks. That literally ruins 3 years of breeding I've done.



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[2G Pie] (#4497)

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2019-07-05 16:10:21
The poll is completely geared towards people who do not want to work to get something they like. It took me months upon months to breed a full celestial and the ideal of making that easy completely invalidates all the work and money I poured into the projects. If this happens there will be no way of stopping the influx of "MaKe ALL rAfFLe MaRkiNgS ApPliCable" It will ruin the breeding community and isn't that one of the major points of lioden? Breeding for a reason?



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pretzelbear🥨 (#159405)

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2019-07-05 16:11:54
@Viri

Well said. While I am not a quad celestial/sidereal/skyward breeder, I'm supporting for those who are or have been in the past.



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eig (#83978)

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2019-07-05 16:19:05
While these marks are all worth considerably less as is over time and overbred, I still support because I don't want other raffle only marks to end up going down this route in future. Theres different ways of attaining marks and they should be left as they are imo, we don't need to change the way existing ones are attained. Glad to see I'm not alone on this



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LionOfLife (#104672)

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2019-07-05 16:29:20
@viri
so true, and well said.

breeding in lioden is a part of what makes it fun, and being able to buy any of the marks you want would deafeat the purpose, unless you just wanted to go the easy route, which is not fun



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