Posted by -LOCKED - [Jul] Don't turn Celestial/etc marks into apps

Agryo [Quitting] (#70050)


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Posted on
2019-07-05 15:15:13
[EDIT: I bump this accidentally sometimes while looking at it again, this is SOLVED let's PLEASE not necro the post, Celestial Raffle marks are safe all's okay we can rest easy gjknktnkrgn]

Please, just don't.

Celestial, Skyward and Sidereal have been breed-only since their conception and users have greatly enjoyed working around the slots they are common in or finding new ones. They're well loved, especially Celestial Speckles, in the same vein as Feline 8 or a pretty Vitiligo or Margay.

People have spent years breeding these and priding themselves on breeding full Skyward/Celestial/Sidereal kings, or mixing and matching. Hell, we've had new slots introduced via Groupies and July Raffle girls to keep things fresh.

Don't make breed-only markings applicable, it removes all joy users get from working on breeding quads. Imagine the outcry if the white Vitiligo marks could be applied- months, years of projects and studs and careful breeding now no more valuable than a king with a pile of applicators slapped on in any order desired.

Either:
A) Leave them as-is, but perhaps popping up more rarely on July raffle lions (they're already common and appear on groupies anyways)

B) Retire them from the July spawn pool, so we work with the slots we have.

C) Introduce new markings in those colors as breed-onlys (Celestial Feline? Skyward Lace?) to revive interest but conserve their value and challenge. Imagine people trying for octa Skywards or something, rad.

D) Introduce new markings in the colors as applicator marks. I don't like this because then the definition of a quad X could just be one full of applicator marks (like 'octa vits' with three colored vits), but. Eh. Better than the original markings being apps.

If people want one of the marks? Buy a cub for cheap and breed it into their projects, like we all have done, or settle for an applicatior that creates a similar effect.

Don't mistake the love people have for these markings for a desire to have then handed to us. Please don't set this precident for turning Raffle markings into applicable ones <3

EDIT:

We cool we cool, Celestial and co won't be made into apps! Still a thread to look at for... I guess historical purposes?

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This suggestion has 369 supports and 98 NO supports.



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Edited on 04/04/20 @ 10:08:55 by Agryo [Project] (#70050)

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[2G Pie] (#4497)

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Posted on
2019-07-05 16:46:34
I joined lioden when there were no special marks at all. Before the raffles all the way back in 2013. Back then you could get any mark you wanted so there was no reason to breed for anything. If you wanted a lion with specific marks just get the GB and make it. There was no sense of accomplishment or adventure. I worry this where Lioden will go back if they allow this to happen, sad to say I probably will not be playing given I have spent $100 of my own real money for something you could get with applicators.



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Malinois (#97509)

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Posted on
2019-07-05 16:51:00
agreed agreed agreed



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Saff- Freezing
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Posted on
2019-07-05 17:06:40
Can’t believe 9 people said no! *sigh*




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Rev (#90969)

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Posted on
2019-07-05 17:15:58
I honestly love option C. I would love to see more of these markings introduced. Though I can see why people are voting for them to become applicators, as it would be undoubtedly much easier, not everything should be about ease of access. There still needs to be a sense of accomplishment, and making it easy now would make all of the earlier efforts people made or money they spent spreading and breeding the markings worth nothing.



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Heda Vampiric (#56702)

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Posted on
2019-07-05 17:18:49
Last I looked at the poll, “yes!” Is winning. So I’m not surprise people are saying no here. Smfh.



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Halo {G3 3xRose
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Posted on
2019-07-05 17:37:56
FULL support. Making them into applicator markings would destroy the value and and the work people have put into breeding for them.



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LittleAntler [BLM] (#30151)


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2019-07-05 17:41:20
At risk of sounding harsh, the concept of having breed-only Celestial Raffle markings going applicator is one of the stupidest ideas I've seen yet, for reasons other users have already brought up. I definitely support this thread; Literally all of the suggestions OP has proposed are a better alternative than making these breed-only markings applicators.



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starling (#26317)

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Posted on
2019-07-05 17:43:54
breeding my full sidereal king was a huge feat that felt hugely rewarding for all the time and resources i'd put into it, so a development like this was really disheartening to consider. it would erase all of the effort and accomplishment of what i'd worked for. i'm really glad people are speaking up about this!

i get that for players that have a more casual engagement with these markings this is something that sounds more convenient and will only peripherally affect them, so they don't see why not. i kind of wish the poll's question was posed more as "what should we do with the markings?" [option 1] / [option 2] / [option 3], instead of "should we make them into applicators?" yes or no - i feel like a lot of people who don't really mind will pick yes because they just don't have enough of an objection to the main idea to vote for an alternative, even if maybe they would've picked something else if it was set up more impartially, if that makes any sense



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Posted on
2019-07-05 17:53:42
Exactly. It is basically a losing battle for the small(er) percentage of members that actually breed for them. Most people just read 'OH, ANOTHER APPLICATOR? YES PLZ!'



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Heda Vampiric (#56702)

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Posted on
2019-07-05 17:59:03
In my opinion Sunset markings being released as an applicator was already a mistake (the app is expensive at times but the markings themselves hold no value bc you can apply them whenever wherever), and a slippery slope in and of itself. I can’t say I didn’t see this coming, although I expected it to be a sunrise applicator, not them trying to turn cel/sky/sid into an app (which is worse).
None of the July base markings should have become and app. And no more should. But *especially* the older ones that people have already spent forever breeding. Tbh if they implemented turning old breed only markings into applicators I would be skeptical to breed for anything. You never know what else they might deem too old.



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Edited on 05/07/19 @ 17:59:45 by Heda Vampiric | Clean Withered (#56702)

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RLC Pie (#53580)

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Posted on
2019-07-05 18:19:51
SUPPORT!!!!!!!!!!
If they turn these into applicators then all the raffle marks will possibly eventually be made into applicators too. Breeding to get specific marks is the main reason I play this game. I like the challenge.
I wish we could undo or change our poll vote too. I misunderstood what they were saying and voted yes. Teach me to click too fast. I am totally against making any of those marks or any past raffle mark into an applicator.



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Karmo (#98909)

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Posted on
2019-07-05 18:57:55
can I support this more than once like bruh
why would anyone want them as apps like that's just not fair to everyone who has spent their time trying to breed for them



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Shaska (#10784)

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2019-07-05 20:04:26
heda made a really good point about sunset marks being pretty much worthless even though the applicator is sometimes a bit pricey

as someone who's been (albeit, casually) breeding july bases and marks for 3 years it really saddens me that they'd consider doing this- it's not at all necessary, it's not like these markings are going to go "extinct" given the pretty strong following the july event has. i think just quietly retiring them and turning them into markings accessible only through breeding is the best option. let's take a step forward and encourage the market to stay healthy and balanced supply/demand wise and not just throw everything into shortcuts



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RaccoonIX [G1 Orchid
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Posted on
2019-07-05 20:09:41
SUPPORT

Turning the marks into applicators would be unfair towards those who spent a long time trying to breed for a full Celestial/Skyward/Sidereal!

The poll results are D:




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Kuma ™ | Semi
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Posted on
2019-07-05 20:22:41
Support, support, support.

If the July marks become applicable I may actually consider leaving the game. That would do it for me. I don’t see why next year’s and the years after raffles can just be new marks, leaving the current markings rarities. Applicators for celestial, skyward, and sidereal? No way in hell will I ever support that.



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