Posted by -LOCKED - [Jul] Don't turn Celestial/etc marks into apps

Agryo [Quitting] (#70050)


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Posted on
2019-07-05 15:15:13
[EDIT: I bump this accidentally sometimes while looking at it again, this is SOLVED let's PLEASE not necro the post, Celestial Raffle marks are safe all's okay we can rest easy gjknktnkrgn]

Please, just don't.

Celestial, Skyward and Sidereal have been breed-only since their conception and users have greatly enjoyed working around the slots they are common in or finding new ones. They're well loved, especially Celestial Speckles, in the same vein as Feline 8 or a pretty Vitiligo or Margay.

People have spent years breeding these and priding themselves on breeding full Skyward/Celestial/Sidereal kings, or mixing and matching. Hell, we've had new slots introduced via Groupies and July Raffle girls to keep things fresh.

Don't make breed-only markings applicable, it removes all joy users get from working on breeding quads. Imagine the outcry if the white Vitiligo marks could be applied- months, years of projects and studs and careful breeding now no more valuable than a king with a pile of applicators slapped on in any order desired.

Either:
A) Leave them as-is, but perhaps popping up more rarely on July raffle lions (they're already common and appear on groupies anyways)

B) Retire them from the July spawn pool, so we work with the slots we have.

C) Introduce new markings in those colors as breed-onlys (Celestial Feline? Skyward Lace?) to revive interest but conserve their value and challenge. Imagine people trying for octa Skywards or something, rad.

D) Introduce new markings in the colors as applicator marks. I don't like this because then the definition of a quad X could just be one full of applicator marks (like 'octa vits' with three colored vits), but. Eh. Better than the original markings being apps.

If people want one of the marks? Buy a cub for cheap and breed it into their projects, like we all have done, or settle for an applicatior that creates a similar effect.

Don't mistake the love people have for these markings for a desire to have then handed to us. Please don't set this precident for turning Raffle markings into applicable ones <3

EDIT:

We cool we cool, Celestial and co won't be made into apps! Still a thread to look at for... I guess historical purposes?

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This suggestion has 369 supports and 98 NO supports.



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Edited on 04/04/20 @ 10:08:55 by Agryo [Project] (#70050)

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Posted on
2019-07-12 14:00:56
Thank you to the admins for listening to the players here in this thread.



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Kat side [Sunset G1
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Posted on
2019-07-12 14:30:58
Support!



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Lexi-Luna(Full
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Posted on
2019-07-12 14:34:37
I know the admins have cancelled their plans for this but thank you for making this poll, I have been breeding skyward lions for ages now and it would be upsetting to have that effort wasted. When the poll was announced I was gutted that one day all of my time and effort would be made effectively worthless



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Edited on 12/07/19 @ 14:55:59 by Lexi-Luna (Clean Full Skyward) (#128487)

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Posted on
2019-07-13 16:51:18
Ugh, so relieved!! <333



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ArrøwTheWolf (#108891)

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Posted on
2019-07-13 19:57:12
I'm not, that would've been cool



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πŸ’œ Ninque (#106221)

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Posted on
2019-07-14 00:33:50
No, it wouldn't. Please stop thinking only about yourself and actually read the discussion.



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ArrøwTheWolf (#108891)

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2019-07-14 00:37:50
Umm excuse me? You don't know me. And I do care.



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ArrøwTheWolf (#108891)

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Posted on
2019-07-14 00:44:40
It would be cool because those who don't have time to start a mass breeding project could have fun customizing their favorite lionesses. Or some who don't want to start a breeding project. As 90% of the time it doesn't work -.-



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Heda Vampiric (#56702)

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Posted on
2019-07-14 00:59:39
This is... a breeding sim...



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ArrøwTheWolf (#108891)

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Posted on
2019-07-14 01:00:47
Not Necessarily. I don't use it for that. It's just one aspect of the game for me. Excuse me for having an opinion.



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ArrøwTheWolf (#108891)

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2019-07-14 01:22:45
Unsubscribing for this so I don't get attacked anymore.



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πŸ’œ Ninque (#106221)

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Posted on
2019-07-14 23:06:36
Nobody is attacking you. You just came here saying you aren't happy because "it would've been cool", ignoring the whole discussion - how are you not selfish with that point of view?
I'm pointing out the flaws in your logic - seriously, there are hundreds of applicator markings that you can use to customise and yet you prefer to complain because YOU want to 'have fun' and YOU have no time to mass breed.
And yes, breeding is the main thing in lioden, as it's all about simulating a lion pride, which probably doesn't want to go extinct after one generation.



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b u m b l e ! πŸ‚
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Posted on
2019-07-14 23:14:31
If you don't have time to have a breeding project then the answer is simple. Don't have one?
I've played this game for 6+ years, and have just recently started having a breeding project but not once did I complain about the breed only marks and bases. It called a challenge.



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Posted on
2020-01-29 12:42:17
Support, obviously, as I always want to see more breed only marks and bases!
Breed-Only Marks is one of the things that keeps a lot of players active, and keeps this breeding sim fun! I'll keep it short, since everyone has already brought up so many amazing points, I'm way late to this, and I'm on a work call lol.

Starting the trend of transitioning over BO marks to applicators would be very concerning to me, and many other very active, older players. The projects that come from these breed only marks often represent investment of time and GB from players that far exceeds the going price for the average marking app. Now I don't know much about Lioden GB generation, and what generates the most GB for the company. But I do know that these projects require more territory (GB torwards territory), FAPA to deal with bigger territory, frequent rekinging as players breed closer to goal (retirement bypasses), RMA and pray, ECT. ECT. And that these players seem to be more willing to often purchase GB, at least in my experience. Desired applicators I'm sure inspire GB purchase, but I suspect it's not as much, especially over the long term, when compared to consistent Breed-Only customers. I guess what I'm trying to say is I highly doubt the additional GB generated from July Raffle marks being transitioned into applicators would offset the potential loss and distrust from consistent Breed-Only customers.



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CALA (#105146)


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Posted on
2020-01-29 14:06:38
I think I've already commented and added my support, but just re-establishing that I support this xD
We've already noticed a slump in the market with lion sales, and in my opinion this is a direct result of people wanting to get everything easily and being able to obtain it by buying it, rather than battling against RNG for it.

If it is readily available and able to be purchased, then there is no point breeding for it and it will never retain any value higher than what you pay for an applicator anyway. This is what is crushing the market at the moment.

We need to bring back breed-only attributes that you have to work toward achieving through breeding, because this is a breeding-based sim. You can't very well call it breeding-based if you can just apply everything with an applicator.



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