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pluto ๐ŸŒŒ (#52831)

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2020-11-21 16:52:04

A Guide to Rosettes


or, "How do I get rosettes?"


Rosettes are one of the most sought after markings on site. To help everyone understand more about rosettes and the chances of passing them naturally, I've made this guide/study!

The study part of this is that when I have the SB, I go into the Scrying Stone, get some water, and sit there clicking to see the outcome of two cubs (generally between lions that have rosettes). I record my results, and eventually clean them up so that whoever views this may see it! I have plans to eventually add all rosettes and their additional pass rates in.

If you are looking for the actual study/observation notes, they are on the second post of this thread.

Do note that this is ongoing, and that this may not have your specific rosette (yet). My percentages may also be off, as I'm one person, and sometimes my eyes can skip over things, or sometimes I miscount by a couple digits.



Basic Terms/Knowledge

As of today (January 1st, 2023), there are 60 rosettes in-game, which can all be found on this page on the Wiki.
The three main types of rosettes are Rosette, Soft Rosette, and Heavy Rosette, which are spoilered below.

In addition to this, there are also Inverted versions of these main types.

The main note for color is that the most commonly wanted rosettes tend to be non-inverted and dark. Ebony, Noctis, and Onyx rosettes are always being sought after. However, there are other colors such as Auburn, Red, and Gold. For a better look at the colors of rosettes, please click the link at the top of this section.
Mottled Rosette is a special case. It has it's own design and coloration.


Mottled Rosette

Mottled Rosette only appears on first gen Leopons, and can only be passed down by Leopons and their offspring. This is the only way you can get Mottled Rosette. All lions with Mottled Rosette are descended from a Leopon, even if they do not have any heritage.
Rosettes names are also usually shortened.

They can be shortened into acronyms (i.e., Noctis Heavy Rosette => NHR, Mottled Rosette => MR), and sometimes a rosette is just referred to as a 'ros/rose'.

For inverted rosettes, they're usually shorted using 'inv', and that can be added onto either of the above terms, i.e. 'inv ros' or 'inv CHR'.
Finally, there are 3 different ways to make a lion with Rosettes: through RMAs, breeding to a lion with a rosette, or just completely randomly.

(Note: If you're looking for a single rosette lion, check around the Trading Center. They're typically around/less than 1200 or 1 .)


Rosettes Through RMAs

All rosettes except MR can be obtained through RMAs (Random Marking Applicators), which can be bought through the Oasis for 1 , or by rolling your account 29 days in a row.

However, there is only a 0.1%, or a 1/1000 chance of getting a rosette from an RMA.

If you are attempting to get a rosette via an RMA, you also have to invest in Marking Removals as well since there is limited number marking slots. These can be bought through Oasis for 1 .

This method is best if you are trying to turn a x2 rosette into a x3 or x4 rosette.

Rosettes Through Breeding

Rosettes are most commonly obtained through breeding, however, they have a much lower pass rate than other markings on Lioden. This is also the only way that MR can be applied to a lion.

The best way to go about breeding for a rosette is to obtain an Ochre Gnawrock, aka a gnaw. A gnaw allows you to 100% guarantee that a marking of your choosing will pass onto it's cubs. However, only 1 gnaw can be applied to a lion at a time. If you're using a gnawrock, you can only guarantee double rosettes by gnawing a rosette from each parent.

Ochre Gnawrocks are unlocked in Tier 2 of the Prophet Shop in September, and can be bought for 150 Jewel Beetles. Their prices steadily raise throughout the year, being ~15-20 during the event and getting up to ~50 later on.

Mottled Rosette is a special case in breeding. If you're breeding a leopon who has MR, MR has an increased chance of passing. If you want MR on a specific breed-only base, breeding a leopon with MR is your best chance. This increased pass rate is only for MR on pons.
As of 11/21/2020, from what I can tell, the general pass rate of a rosette marking is approximately ~3.85%. This doesn't take into account possible different pass rates for different rosettes, so take this information with a grain of salt. It will be periodically updated.

To help your chances with getting a rosette to naturally pass:

Check which marking slot the rosette you want to pass is in. Then, check the other parent of the litter and make sure they do not have a marking in that slot, or if they do, they also have a rosette.

As other markings have a higher pass rate than rosettes, you don't want the rosette you're trying to pass to possibly get pushed out by a different marking.

Additionally, you can raise your chances of getting a specific rosette by breeding two parents with the same rosette marking in the same slot.

Random Rosettes

There's also a small chance for a rosette to just randomly appear on a lion, regardless of what markings its parents have.

Currently, there is known reason for what causes a random rosette to appear. As more information comes in about this, I'll update this section.

From my current findings, the possibility of a random rosette appearing is ~0.25%. However, this is without knowing what causes a random rosette to appear. You should not count on getting a rosette through this method.

Current theories for boosting the chance of getting a random rosette include:
  • White undermarkings on either parent

  • Daytime/Nighttime

  • ID numbers matching in some way

Additional Questions?


Hopefully this helped clear up how to get a rosette, how to breed one, etc. If you have any more questions or criticisms, feel free to post them! I'll try to reply to everything I can.



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Edited on 25/08/23 @ 20:04:22 by pluto ๐ŸŒŒ (#52831)

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2023-02-27 15:20:29
Thanks!!! I honestly screamed when I saw him haha, I was trying for a penta dawn but Iโ€™ll take the first dawn base + seal shaded rosette!



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Brooke(*Frozen)! (#49110)

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2023-02-27 15:31:45
@pluto and moth guess wat my king finally sired two of his briar heavy rosettes yesterday morning from two different cubs/litters but the second cub i am showing due my fav out of the two hun
her link:
https://www.lioden.com/lion.php?id=794186425331
? now trying for second heir project to breed ferus and briar heavy or soft rosette hee hee
congrats moth on ur first shaded rosette so jelly i loved seal rosette haha



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2023-02-27 15:34:32
I have a friend whoโ€™s planning to use ochre gnawrocks on the Rosette once I king him! Heโ€™s a GORGEOUS lion tbh



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Mots - RP Loved๐Ÿ’ (#5378)

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2023-02-27 15:40:50
I have these two random rosettes.

This girl is my first of the new shaded, neither parent has a rosette. The dad has Mistletoe Fawn where the rosette is on her.

She has Bushveld Heavy Rosette in a rare slot to boot. Her father had Fiery Shimmer in slot 2, and he had rosettes I was trying to breed for. They didn't pass, but somehow RNG gave me a BHR girl.



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Edited on 27/02/23 @ 15:41:26 by Mots - RP Loved๐Ÿ’ (#5378)

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2023-02-27 15:42:13
Oh cool!!! Honestly my dawn+sealโ€™s grandfather (a long past king of mine) had a habit of giving random rosettesโ€ฆ apparently his son is carrying on that tradition haha!



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Nightshade (#253628)

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2023-04-04 03:12:34
i just got a random ebony heavy rosette baby very lucky



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2023-04-04 03:16:16
Any info on shadded rosettes? By my research (aka breeding) shadded rosettes are more likely to be a random rosette than others. Ive breed 3 rosettes, 2 inverted shadded and 1 heavy ebony.



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Edited on 04/04/23 @ 03:18:16 by Dakota 1 he/they (#349756)

Brooke(*Frozen)! (#49110)

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2023-04-06 20:31:02
i breed tons of briar heavy rosettes from my king now but still no luck breeding th bhr with ferus yet but i am keeping trying haha it happaned eventually naturally just gotta be patient



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2023-04-25 17:40:40
is there any way to obtain rosettes without buying too many RMA or breeding? my king will die soon [hes like 11 years old] and I needa find my heir someway to get rosettes

[oops this is my side LOL, i went to find here on chrome instead of microsoft, where my main acc is



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Edited on 25/04/23 @ 17:41:44 by deathberries (#433297)

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Edited on 25/04/23 @ 20:25:58 by IIV0I [G2|3x Ros|20M|Ferus] (#407996)

pluto ๐ŸŒŒ (#52831)

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2023-05-01 08:28:00
Woof, a lot of responses have showed up during my break.

@Brooke: If you're looking to king a Ferus with BHR, then you can mutie replace instead of having to naturally breed one. This means kinging a lion w/ the looks (minus mutation) that you want, then kinging a lion with the mutation and keeping the looks of the previous king.

@Dakota: There's currently no research on shaded rosettes, but that's very interesting! I may have to test that out. A more consistent method is using the scrying stone with two lions without any rosettes.

@deathberries: I'm sorry for the late response, but unfortunately no :( RMA is the only way to get a rosette on a lion not born with one. If you really want a rosette on your heir, I'd suggest either kinging without a rosette and breeding to girls with the same traits as your king + a rosette.



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cube (#433297)

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2023-05-01 14:30:34
ah, alrighty, thanks!



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2023-08-25 16:01:39
Hello! Is it also known what the passing changes are for a Mottled Rosette (MR) if you breed the lioness with a lion that mas the MR in the same slot?



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pluto ๐ŸŒŒ (#52831)

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2023-08-25 18:47:04
@Nim - I haven't actually tested the exact pass rate! That's definitely something worth looking into though. I've got the time so I'll track some numbers right now!



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2023-08-25 19:32:24
@Nim - Follow up; just ran some trials so the main post is now updated with my findings. It's nowhere near as extensive as my previous trials, but it should give a rough idea of the pass rates! ~50% for a king that doesn't have MR, and ~75% for one that does (when breeding with a G1 pon).

Also discovered something somewhat interesting; 3/200 of the cubs that were generated had a random rosette! Which is very interesting, considering the chances are ~0.25% according to my previous stats--but from this dataset (which, to be fair, is REMARKABLY smaller) is a whopping 1.5%.

Years ago, a user gave me a tip that they had gotten quite a few random rosettes from mass bred NCL--their fathers all had Under White 4. All leopons have White Underfelt, so perhaps it's linked to having some sort of white undermarking? :thinking:

This is certainly very speculative, but also very interesting!



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