Posted by [Feb/Mar] Unknown Heritage Studs in the Event

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2022-07-07 04:27:28
I'm really enjoying the maneaters as I'm really enjoying breeding low gen / heritageless animals, but it made me think - how come these are only around once per year? Correct me if I'm wrong, I've been on a two year hiatus!

But what if these studs were added for the February event - it is Valentines after all then!

EDIT BASED ON FEEDBACK: Or, as an alternative, add them to the March anti-poaching event when there are fewer features currently in place and less valuable event items?

This would allow for new breeding projects and challenges, for example, unknown sire breeding!

These could work similarly to the maneater studs with a random daily male to breed with OR they could otherwise appear randomly in explore as a mid-chance encounter and you could allow one in-heat female to breed with him if found.

EDIT BASED ON FEEDBACK: Based on feedback which suggests people don't want to have to spend lots of currency on a studding and wanted something that wasn't just a copy of the Maneaters and to keep the cubs more valuable and less common, this might work best as a mid-low chance explore encounter - if you stumbled across an unknown stud as an explore encounter, you could have an option to breed one of your in heat lionesses there and then to an unknown stud

This would allow a roughly 150-180 day gap between the end of the August event and the start of the February event, which would equate to around 12 (or 15 based on the edit) years - in other words, it would allow every lioness no matter when she's born the chance to breed with an unknown male once in her life without having to freeze her for half a year! Plus, it would allow August and Feb/March born cubs to breed with another unknown sire, rather than freezing them.

Presumably, the designs for the studs would probably be more charming and suave than the maneater studs of August if implemented in February. The studs could have a mixture of current event bases and perhaps one new breed-only base rather than adding in a new base applicator to the shops, since there are already 39 February apps and 20 march apps.

Potential benefits
- Adds a new explore encounter or feature, especially to March which often needs more love
- Allows a new form of breeding: unknown heritage sires
- Allows unknown-sired cubs born in August to breed to new unknown NPC studs without having to freeze them for half a year
- Would make new March bases rarer (current March bases are often very cheap year-round)
- Provides an immediate covering rather than waiting around for a player
- Makes clean breeding easier without having to go through heritage
- Provides an easier way for new players to get into breeding valuable bases without having to grind for event currency
- Bases/markings/manes/etc are presumably already in the works anyway
- Is only twice a year so would still be rare and presumably could have a high lock requirement so it didn't open until half way through the month/etc
- Wouldn't compete with groupies as is not focused on G1/heritageless specifically

Reasons raised for against
- Gen1 lions are already common
- February/March are applicator-focused not breed only
- February items are expensive - why waste funds on this? (Could be overcome if an explore encounter)
- February has enough on (March may be a better suit)
- Extra coding for a new feature
- Does not support traditional non-clean breeders
- No story attached to them (could be added but would be a lot more work)



This suggestion has 78 supports and 14 NO supports.



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Posted on
2022-08-09 07:58:26
Let me rephrase :D

I don't hate the idea . Personally I think the maneater studs are very pretty , I'm currently working on a project to replicate one of them , actually . More lions like the maneater studs would be wonderful to the little gremlin part of my brain .
BUT . We don't need them . Get yourself a May lion and king them (REMOVING THIS CUZ I WAS COMPLETELY WRONG) and bam , you have a heritageless stud . I will be the first to say that the July event ? While I love it , from a feature perspective it is WAY overcrowded . There is some love that could be shown to the March event as well . But I don't think studs are the way to go . No Studs > March studs > February Studs



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Edited on 09/08/22 @ 08:00:09 by 🏳️‍🌈 Solarah (#101607)

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2022-08-09 08:00:40
Okay, fair enough @Solarah. I guess everyone likes different things - I love having more to do! I'd just love to see it personally for a new and more exciting way to breed, as apps don't hold much excitement for me any more.



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2022-08-09 08:01:36
How would the studs work then? I'd like some explanation on that if you say they won't be the same as the Maneater studs.

So, you don't want the studs to have applicator bases. So, you'd want BO bases? That just further coincides with my point - February and March are already known as applicator months, adding BO bases to the mix would be a lot to ask of the devs, and would just further depreciate the value of the applicators from those respective months already.



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2022-08-09 08:03:17
Back to the points about May Lions basically being this already , the list of what a May Groupie can be is so long ?? Objectively better than adding a stud anywhere in the game (Including August studs)

From the Wiki :
"For a quick rundown on what makes V'Kai's groupies so epic...
-Groupies can be adult lionesses (between 3 years to 5 years of age) or adolescent males (between 1 year 1 month and 1 year 7 months of age). If you choose a specific option during the storyline, you will receive a boosted chance of claiming adolescent male groupies. This can be reversed at any time using a Mummified Heart. You only need to use a Mummified Heart once to toggle on or off the adolescent boost.
-Groupies will always come heritageless (having no heritage). Adult lioness groupies cannot be sex changed, as they lack heritage; however, adolescent male groupies can be sex changed using a Cub Sex Changer.
-Groupies can spawn with any base in the game. There is a very low chance that they will spawn with combo, rare, or special bases. Kimanjano and Mandarin are the exceptions to this, and cannot appear on groupies.
-Groupies can spawn with any eye colour in the game, including breed-only and event exclusive eye colours.
-Groupies have their own exclusive bases and eye colours that can only be achieved by claiming groupies with these bases and eye colours, or breeding to lions with these bases and eye colours.
-Groupie mane shapes are limited to Normal, Scarce, and Thick. Groupie mane colours are limited to common mane colours.
-The skins groupies are spawned with appear to be tied to their bases.
-Groupies will always spawn with two markings randomly chosen by the script. Markings will only appear in slots 1 to 10. They can spawn with any marking in the game, including special markings. Mottled Rosette, Mottled Stripes, and Tier 5 markings are the exceptions to this, and cannot appear on groupies.
-Groupies can spawn with any personality in the game.
-Female groupies have a small chance of spawning with a pose automatically equipped.
-Groupies have a very rare chance of being mutated. That being said, there are certain mutations you will never see on groupies. For ease of understanding, the potential versus restricted mutations have been listed and colour coded below.
>>Potential Mutations: Achromia; Bobbed Tail; Folded Ears; Maneless; Mane Feathery; Mane Fluffy; Mane Frizzy; Mane Fuzzy; Mane Ruffled; Mane Scruffy; Mane Shaggy; Mane Silky; Mane Villous; Mane Whiskered; Melanism; Overgrown Claws; Overgrown Fur; Overgrown Teeth; Overgrown Tongue; Polycaudal; Primal; Primal Fangs; Tailless; Toothless.
>>Restricted Mutations: all Lethals; all Patches and Piebalds; Blind; Dorsal Fur; Double Uterus; Dwarfism; Eyeless; Leopon; Mane Imperial; Mane Noble; Mane Succubus; Primal (Felis); Primal (Ferus); Primal (Smilus); Tigon."

The list is basically endless - to add studs to another when this violent amount of features exists is honestly an insult to the May event (wonderful event , very balanced and love it a lot <3)

edited because i forgot a closing quote and it was bothering me



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Edited on 09/08/22 @ 08:03:50 by 🏳️‍🌈 Solarah (#101607)

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2022-08-09 08:04:12
@Luppiter There could be two options:

1) They work in the same way as the man eaters but with unique bases / markings (less coding)
2) Finding one is are an explore encounter, meaning it wouldn't need currency but would be random (more coding)

I said in the original post, the studs could have either a new breed only base (rather than making it into an applicator) or a current applicator bases. That wouldn't devalue applicator bases any more, since you can easily stud to a player with an applicator base for a couple hundred SB



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2022-08-09 08:05:51
Reiterating : Just cuz it's nearly the same feature doesn't mean less coding ! :)



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2022-08-09 08:06:38
@Solarah I love the May groupies concept too, but the issue is - I couldn't use them *personally* without replacing one of my kings, and I wouldn't want to do that (considering one is a snowflake and the other has six rosettes). Hence why for people like me and @Dorian, the unknown studs offer immediate breeding without having to wait on someone else and a new project opportunity. That's just my personal thoughts



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2022-08-09 08:07:16
@Solarah When I say less coding, it wouldn't have to be coded from scratch - it could be tweaked and adjusted rather than writing a whole brand new page.



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2022-08-09 08:07:37
Exactly, you can easily stud to a player who's king already has the applicator base or just buy the applicator from the shops yourself - so what's the point of the studs??

Again, the entire point of studs like the Maneaters is to introduce new BO bases and new BO markings - asking for heritageless studs who have applicator bases/applicator markings completely dishonors that purpose.

And asking for unique bases and unique markings (I'm assuming that you mean BO) would just be additional coding and additional work for those behind the curtain. February and March are NOT months that have BO bases - why add them randomly now?



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2022-08-09 08:08:15
Dier you could also heritage replace with one of the groupies . No heritage , same appearance . Just saying

Edit: It also doesn't mean you can directly copy paste - Hi , computer science student here - It's likely tied to the event itself , meaning going through and basically rewriting all of it to match where you'll be putting it . Not to mention and edits they may have to make to the code for the February marks and bases , and it ultimately adds up . Less coding may still be a lot of coding , and using less is misleading :)



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Edited on 09/08/22 @ 08:10:34 by 🏳️‍🌈 Solarah (#101607)

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2022-08-09 08:08:28
And you could use the May groupies to have a heritageless king and still keep the looks of your current kings - that's what heritage repping is.



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2022-08-09 08:09:58
@Luppiter The entire point of the studs is for a new unknown heritage stud, and breed only bases is just a factor of that. Hence the topic title of this suggestion



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2022-08-09 08:12:19
I know what heritage repping is, I did it with my boy, but that's not the suggestion I'm making here... I'm suggesting a system where unknown sired cubs can breed with other unknown sires, so a maneater cub can carry on that "ultra clean" bloodline without just having to replace with a groupie.



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Posted on
2022-08-09 08:12:41
But again - it's pointless. We already have heritageless studs in August - and I don't see the point of keeping cubs from the maneater studs in August just so you could breed them to your proposed February/March studs - they'd have different bases, different markings...so what's the point? And you could easily just breed an NCL to your proposed February/August studs, which would keep the heritage just as short. I don't see the point behind creating this suggestion for the purpose of being able to breed your Maneater cubs to new heritageless studs.



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Posted on
2022-08-09 08:13:21
I still don't get what the point of a clean lion is , please explain - inbreeding has no effect and all and I'm unsure why it matters



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