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| Posted by | [Feb/Mar] Unknown Heritage Studs in the Event |
 Dier ~ 10k 20bo x6 Ros [Side] (#80015) 
Deathlord of the Jungle View Forum Posts  Posted on 2022-07-07 04:27:28 |
I'm really enjoying the maneaters as I'm really enjoying breeding low gen / heritageless animals, but it made me think - how come these are only around once per year? Correct me if I'm wrong, I've been on a two year hiatus! But what if these studs were added for the February event - it is Valentines after all then! EDIT BASED ON FEEDBACK: Or, as an alternative, add them to the March anti-poaching event when there are fewer features currently in place and less valuable event items? This would allow for new breeding projects and challenges, for example, unknown sire breeding! These could work similarly to the maneater studs with a random daily male to breed with OR they could otherwise appear randomly in explore as a mid-chance encounter and you could allow one in-heat female to breed with him if found. EDIT BASED ON FEEDBACK: Based on feedback which suggests people don't want to have to spend lots of currency on a studding and wanted something that wasn't just a copy of the Maneaters and to keep the cubs more valuable and less common, this might work best as a mid-low chance explore encounter - if you stumbled across an unknown stud as an explore encounter, you could have an option to breed one of your in heat lionesses there and then to an unknown stud This would allow a roughly 150-180 day gap between the end of the August event and the start of the February event, which would equate to around 12 (or 15 based on the edit) years - in other words, it would allow every lioness no matter when she's born the chance to breed with an unknown male once in her life without having to freeze her for half a year! Plus, it would allow August and Feb/March born cubs to breed with another unknown sire, rather than freezing them. Presumably, the designs for the studs would probably be more charming and suave than the maneater studs of August if implemented in February. The studs could have a mixture of current event bases and perhaps one new breed-only base rather than adding in a new base applicator to the shops, since there are already 39 February apps and 20 march apps. Potential benefits - Adds a new explore encounter or feature, especially to March which often needs more love - Allows a new form of breeding: unknown heritage sires - Allows unknown-sired cubs born in August to breed to new unknown NPC studs without having to freeze them for half a year - Would make new March bases rarer (current March bases are often very cheap year-round) - Provides an immediate covering rather than waiting around for a player - Makes clean breeding easier without having to go through heritage - Provides an easier way for new players to get into breeding valuable bases without having to grind for event currency - Bases/markings/manes/etc are presumably already in the works anyway - Is only twice a year so would still be rare and presumably could have a high lock requirement so it didn't open until half way through the month/etc - Wouldn't compete with groupies as is not focused on G1/heritageless specifically Reasons raised for against - Gen1 lions are already common - February/March are applicator-focused not breed only - February items are expensive - why waste funds on this? (Could be overcome if an explore encounter) - February has enough on (March may be a better suit) - Extra coding for a new feature - Does not support traditional non-clean breeders - No story attached to them (could be added but would be a lot more work) |
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Dier ~ 10k 20bo x6 Ros [Side] (#80015)
Deathlord of the Jungle View Forum Posts Posted on 2022-08-09 08:36:23 |
@Lupiter In theory, since you'd only be able to do it twice per year, it would be something to aim for to continue the next generation of unknowns, and in the meantime you'd breed those lions as normal. Since you can only breed twice a year, it would make them rare too. I'm not saying that's why they're listed as unknown, I know it's because they're an NPC, but why not make it into a feature players could breed towards is all I'm thinking. New ways to play would always be welcome to me, anyway.  0 players like this post! Like? |
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🏳️🌈 Sol (Anubis 2xRos) (#101607) Deathlord of the Jungle View Forum Posts Posted on 2022-08-09 08:36:46 |
If you only want clean lions as your challenge - then keep it your challenge . Find a way to keep the lioness alive for a year then breed her back . If you're trying to make it easier on yourself , then it's not really a challenge , is it ? 0 players like this post! Like? |
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Dier ~ 10k 20bo x6 Ros [Side] (#80015)
Deathlord of the Jungle View Forum Posts Posted on 2022-08-09 08:37:54 |
@Solarah - That wasn't ever my intention to state it was an objective of the devs. Just stating that they are unknowns to make a point, why not make a potential use of that?  0 players like this post! Like? |
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Dier ~ 10k 20bo x6 Ros [Side] (#80015)
Deathlord of the Jungle View Forum Posts Posted on 2022-08-09 08:40:33 |
@Solarah It was only a suggestion as people might actually enjoy a new playing option which this would allow, and from the votes so far a lot of people seem to like the idea of having new unknown studs. It's very much a challenge if you can only breed a lioness to further a breeding goal at the end of her life, but otherwise it's boring if you're just freezing an account all the time. 0 players like this post! Like?Edited on 09/08/22 @ 08:52:10 by Dier ~ Gen1 ~ x6 Ros ~ 3K (#80015) |
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Vinny Claws :3 (#172263)
Maneater View Forum Posts Posted on 2022-08-09 12:05:59 |
No support- male groupies aren't all that difficult to find, you can get them cheap when out of season or get the boost and claim them yourself. I've rarely had a problem finding high quality heritageless studs to use for my NCLs, but I DO have problems selling the groupies I claim even when they're in demand. I love the maneater studs and kinda get what you're saying, but I think it's redundant to add the stud feature to another event. 0 players like this post! Like?Edited on 09/08/22 @ 12:06:35 by Vinn [G2 primal seer] (#172263) |
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Dier ~ 10k 20bo x6 Ros [Side] (#80015)
Deathlord of the Jungle View Forum Posts Posted on 2022-08-09 13:34:56 |
To my mind, a lot of the problem with groupies is that they're exceptionally common as people claim so many at once and it floods the market. The female cubs are largely redundant unless special as can get heritageless chased NCLs year round anyway so the main demand for groupies is really only the mutie/rare ones and the G1 heritage replacers. These would be limited by the breeding mechanics of Lioden so wouldn't be as common presumably which would help them retain value, and could also have features from the mother unlike a groupie - e.g. mutations, inherited stats, etc. 0 players like this post! Like?Edited on 09/08/22 @ 13:50:00 by Dier ~ G1 ~ x6 Ros ~ 3K [Side] (#80015) |
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Luppiter🐃 | G1 Haze RLC (#225433) Hateful View Forum Posts Posted on 2022-08-09 14:15:36 |
I'm still struggling to understand why we need this feature. You haven't explained why exactly we should have studs in February/March besides to help you have a bit of a challenge. How does this help other players? How will this even be useful if the studs have applicator bases/markings? What would even be the point? And again, arguing that February/March studs should have BO bases/BO markings instead of applicator bases/markings is a mute point...both of these months do NOT have specific BO bases or BO markings, so suddenly adding those out of nowhere seems very odd and excessive. 0 players like this post! Like?Edited on 09/08/22 @ 14:15:58 by Luppiter💠G2 Vagabond 9BO (#225433) |
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Dier ~ 10k 20bo x6 Ros [Side] (#80015)
Deathlord of the Jungle View Forum Posts Posted on 2022-08-09 14:24:23 |
Just because it would be a nice feature, in my opinion, to have the opportunity for more NPC / unknown studs that the maneater cubs could be bred to without having to freeze them. That's entirely the point of the suggestion - because those cubs would die (naturally if not frozen) before the maneaters come back around. Ideally, I'd say roll out a whole collection of breed only bases, but that would be unfeasible for the art team. Hence why to begin with, the studs could have applicator bases and one new breed-only base (like how the old maneaters used to be a mix of boring and new) and then transition to just breed only over the years. I'm not sure why adding a breed-only base is an issue? August has breed-only features and base/eye applicators. It's not for a personal breeding project alone, it's something that I think a lot of people would enjoy considering how much people love the maneaters. But that's fine if it's not something you would use personally - I just think a lot of people would enjoy the feature. Breeding something is much more rewarding than just buying another applicator  0 players like this post! Like?Edited on 09/08/22 @ 14:28:33 by Dier ~ G1 ~ x6 Ros ~ 3K [Side] (#80015) |
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Tennessee[G3.SHARD.2 0M.CHAR] (#189342) Confused View Forum Posts Posted on 2022-08-09 14:30:21 |
I agree with the people saying it's needless-- it's a lot of excessive coding to add a pretty useless feature. I mean, heritageless lions are a lot easier to get than people think. This will also likely be a tank to the market since it'll result in low G lions becoming more common, thus less value. Really? There are zero good aspects to this. I think it's perfect only having once month to have NPC studs. 0 players like this post! Like? |
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Dier ~ 10k 20bo x6 Ros [Side] (#80015)
Deathlord of the Jungle View Forum Posts Posted on 2022-08-09 14:33:26 |
@Tennessee Since it would only be for one month, especially as a low chance explore encounter, I don't think it would increase the number of low gen lions any more than they are currently anyway, as people would just choose to breed with a Gen1 if not these males during the event. The focus besides that is on unknown heritage sires rather than G1 sires, and a new way to release new bases (which are presumably already in the works anyway) rather than adding yet more applicators where there are already so much. But thanks for the feedback. 0 players like this post! Like?Edited on 09/08/22 @ 14:34:31 by Dier ~ G1 ~ x6 Ros ~ 3K [Side] (#80015) |
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Tennessee[G3.SHARD.2 0M.CHAR] (#189342) Confused View Forum Posts Posted on 2022-08-09 14:41:47 |
I do think it could be interesting potentially, but it seems really... boring, and there just isn't a whole lot of fun or utility in it for how many issues it could potentially cause to the market + the hassle of coding the new features for an event that is already very solid-- it would also take the hype for the august event way down. Maybe if the concept is worked on a bit better, people wouldn't have as many issues with it, so maybe later I'll end up changing my vote back to supporting it, but with how it is now, it's a hard pass tbh. You also don't seem to be taking majority of the criticism seriously as well, which makes it harder to really support this idea. 0 players like this post! Like? |
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Dier ~ 10k 20bo x6 Ros [Side] (#80015)
Deathlord of the Jungle View Forum Posts Posted on 2022-08-09 14:45:42 |
@Tennessee I've implemented the suggested improvements in the original post in the bits where I said about edits. I also just added in a list of potential benefits and the suggested cons. What sort of things do you think might make it more "fun" as to me, the concept of breeding to a new NPC for a new BO base is fun in itself, similarly to the maneaters.It's a bit hard to respond to criticism in a constructive way if alternatives aren't provided - so far a lot (not all) of the criticism has largely been "I don't like it personally" and yet the vast majority of votes still show so far that this is something people would like to see. 0 players like this post! Like? |
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Luppiter🐃 | G1 Haze RLC (#225433) Hateful View Forum Posts Posted on 2022-08-09 14:49:02 |
August doesn't have any base applicators, actually, besides Solaris, which is extremely, extremely rare to possess. And the thing with "breeding something is much more rewarding than just buying another applicator" - breeding is not guaranteed. If we use your logic here and have the February/March studs have applicable bases, it's not guaranteed you'll get a base pass. And if someone really wants that base, they'll just purchase the applicator from the shop. Which would...make the studs useless. I'm just having a really hard time even considering the validity of this suggestion - it's purely being suggested because it seems like you just want to breed Maneater cubs to other stud NPC's. There doesn't seem to be any legitimate reason why we need more stud NPC's for a February/March event. There are perfectly manageable ways to keep your lion's heritage short and clean. These methods already exist in the game - why ruin the uniqueness of an event just because you want more unknown sires? 0 players like this post! Like? |
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Dier ~ 10k 20bo x6 Ros [Side] (#80015)
Deathlord of the Jungle View Forum Posts Posted on 2022-08-09 14:49:32 |
@Tennessee As an aside, one thing that was suggested that I added above was moving this to the March event, which is less ideal for the concept behind this but would support the March event which is often considered a weaker event, and where things like applicators etc have little in the way of value. So that would be a new feature for a less solid event than the aphrodisia one? 0 players like this post! Like? |
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Dier ~ 10k 20bo x6 Ros [Side] (#80015)
Deathlord of the Jungle View Forum Posts Posted on 2022-08-09 14:54:57 |
@Luppiter Solaris is what I was referring to plus the eye applicators. You're right that breeding is not guaranteed, which is why it's more fun. The apps could still be purchased from the shop, the studs would mainly be used for the new BO base(s). The concept is pretty much what you've said - giving cubs from the maneater studs more of a purpose (otherwise they're not worth much at all unless special) and a new, more interesting way of breeding introduced bases than just buying an applicator. I (and presumably a lot of other people from the votes) just really enjoy the maneaters and would like to see more NPC studs. I don't disagree with what was said about keeping it unique, hence why I changed to making it an explore encounter rather than a "pay to use" feature, but I just think it would be much more fun and rewarding than grinding for new base apps that are only going to plummet in value immediately and then end up really common. For events with so many apps already, I personally think new breed only would be amazing to see to change things up a little and keep it interesting, and it ties in perfectly with getting one breeding from a maneater cub too. I appreciate you don't see it that way though - I just think it's more interesting than buying an applicator from a shop which has no reward or excitement particularly and will invariably become very common, very fast. And between the two events, even with this implemented, there would still be 20+ apps to choose from that we could buy, so not taking anything away from the event. For reference: just after the July event, there are now nearly 35,000 copies of July base apps on the game alone. I know demand for apps is less in February because of the scrotes etc, but in March, the same sort of thing occurs - but for low value apps that then stay cheap for the rest of the year. Why not add some incentive to the March event to breed rarer breed only bases rather than only adding to the pool of cheap apps? 0 players like this post! Like?Edited on 09/08/22 @ 15:03:02 by Dier ~ G1 ~ x6 Ros ~ 3K [Side] (#80015) |
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