Posted by [Feb/Mar] Unknown Heritage Studs in the Event

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Ros [Side] (#80015)

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2022-07-07 04:27:28
I'm really enjoying the maneaters as I'm really enjoying breeding low gen / heritageless animals, but it made me think - how come these are only around once per year? Correct me if I'm wrong, I've been on a two year hiatus!

But what if these studs were added for the February event - it is Valentines after all then!

EDIT BASED ON FEEDBACK: Or, as an alternative, add them to the March anti-poaching event when there are fewer features currently in place and less valuable event items?

This would allow for new breeding projects and challenges, for example, unknown sire breeding!

These could work similarly to the maneater studs with a random daily male to breed with OR they could otherwise appear randomly in explore as a mid-chance encounter and you could allow one in-heat female to breed with him if found.

EDIT BASED ON FEEDBACK: Based on feedback which suggests people don't want to have to spend lots of currency on a studding and wanted something that wasn't just a copy of the Maneaters and to keep the cubs more valuable and less common, this might work best as a mid-low chance explore encounter - if you stumbled across an unknown stud as an explore encounter, you could have an option to breed one of your in heat lionesses there and then to an unknown stud

This would allow a roughly 150-180 day gap between the end of the August event and the start of the February event, which would equate to around 12 (or 15 based on the edit) years - in other words, it would allow every lioness no matter when she's born the chance to breed with an unknown male once in her life without having to freeze her for half a year! Plus, it would allow August and Feb/March born cubs to breed with another unknown sire, rather than freezing them.

Presumably, the designs for the studs would probably be more charming and suave than the maneater studs of August if implemented in February. The studs could have a mixture of current event bases and perhaps one new breed-only base rather than adding in a new base applicator to the shops, since there are already 39 February apps and 20 march apps.

Potential benefits
- Adds a new explore encounter or feature, especially to March which often needs more love
- Allows a new form of breeding: unknown heritage sires
- Allows unknown-sired cubs born in August to breed to new unknown NPC studs without having to freeze them for half a year
- Would make new March bases rarer (current March bases are often very cheap year-round)
- Provides an immediate covering rather than waiting around for a player
- Makes clean breeding easier without having to go through heritage
- Provides an easier way for new players to get into breeding valuable bases without having to grind for event currency
- Bases/markings/manes/etc are presumably already in the works anyway
- Is only twice a year so would still be rare and presumably could have a high lock requirement so it didn't open until half way through the month/etc
- Wouldn't compete with groupies as is not focused on G1/heritageless specifically

Reasons raised for against
- Gen1 lions are already common
- February/March are applicator-focused not breed only
- February items are expensive - why waste funds on this? (Could be overcome if an explore encounter)
- February has enough on (March may be a better suit)
- Extra coding for a new feature
- Does not support traditional non-clean breeders
- No story attached to them (could be added but would be a lot more work)



This suggestion has 78 supports and 14 NO supports.



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Edited on 10/01/23 @ 17:24:13 by a Moderator

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2022-08-09 08:15:08
"I don't see the point behind creating this suggestion for the purpose of being able to breed your Maneater cubs to new heritageless studs."

That was the point of the suggestion, yes. To have an unknown lineage breeding system. If you don't personally see the point that's understandable - contrastingly, I think it would be a really fun but difficult challenge and allows for things like stat training the lionesses while still having an unknown heritage



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2022-08-09 08:15:33
@Solarah - there's no "point" per se to clean breeding, it's just a challenge to make the game more difficult for people who are bored with the current systems. For example, when I played originally, I got bored because stat breeding became too easy with studs like Indra.



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Edited on 09/08/22 @ 08:16:42 by Dier ~ Gen1 ~ x6 Ros ~ 3K (#80015)

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2022-08-09 08:15:33
@Solarah - there's no "point" per se to clean breeding, it's just a challenge to make the game more difficult for people who are bored with the current systems. For example, when I played originally, I got bored because stat breeding became too easy with studs like Indra.



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Edited on 09/08/22 @ 08:17:06 by Dier ~ Gen1 ~ x6 Ros ~ 3K (#80015)

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2022-08-09 08:17:48
But the lionesse's would still have heritage on the mother's sides, and arguably, that line of heritage could get very long if we follow your idea of breeding Maneater cubs to February/March studs?

There's already a challenge with clean breeding to find G1 studs owned by players - I would understand your suggestion more if G1 player-owned studs weren't a thing, but they are...



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2022-08-09 08:20:21
@Luppiter It wouldn't get that long though, not for a long time, and if it started to you could of course start over - a G1 stud is the same issue as you can never progress things like stats past a certain point with a groupie king.

You could only add two generations per year at most (one in feb/march, one in august). G1 studs aren't rare or hard to find anymore in my experience as everyone has already used groupies



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Edited on 09/08/22 @ 08:21:58 by Dier ~ Gen1 ~ x6 Ros ~ 3K (#80015)

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2022-08-09 08:20:41
Exactly what Luppiter said - it is so easy to get a pretty king then heritage replace with a male groupie . G1 studs almost replace the need for studs entirely



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2022-08-09 08:22:56
@Solarah - I agree, it's ridiculously easy. But easy makes things boring for a lot of people, like me when I left in 2020. Having a new challenge and something to work towards that's not out of sight keeps things more interesting for the long-run.



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2022-08-09 08:23:15
People obsessed with clean breeding have made selling lions and getting people to stud to my lion almost a hell , considering I left for a while and he was kinged before the clean craze started . It make it impossible to move forward without buying your way out , which isn't possible for most players . This would really only add to that and make it utterly ridiculous



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2022-08-09 08:25:40
@Solarah - I was too, I replaced my boy with a gen 1 when I came back.

The reason people don't do dirty breeding so much now is that it's just boring, there's no challenge. That's why people love the challenge of clean breeding. Like I say, that's why I left Lioden, but it would be nice to be able to take clean breeding in a new direction.

But it's understandable you wouldn't see how this could help if you prefer old style breeding and as someone who still has dirty lions from years ago, I understand the struggle



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Edited on 09/08/22 @ 08:26:51 by Dier ~ Gen1 ~ x6 Ros ~ 3K (#80015)

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Posted on
2022-08-09 08:26:44
You can progress stats with a groupie king tho - look at Mae and Jenday's groupie kings, 12k and 7k stats respectively.

Lioden doesn't have a problem with keeping things interesting - look at the massive influx of new players we have had over the last year.

Trying to take an aspect that is unique for one event and apply it to another event is nonsensical, because then it would open the doors for other people suggesting that we add unique aspects of one event to another event. (ex: having the July celestial raffle lioness function appear in another event, having groupies obtainable in another event besides May...) it would *completely* destroy the uniqueness of each event.



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2022-08-09 08:30:08
@Luppiter - I wouldn't know about an influx of players, as I've only been back for a month after giving up for years as I just got bored with the grind of the game without being able to have a particularly rewarding goal that didn't just involve hours and hours of grinding for stats in explore. Most players couldn't fund that sort of goal, so it's unrealistic and not overly motivational.

That's fair enough if that's what you think, and I see where you're coming from - but to me, the point of having unknown maneater studs is a little redundant if you can't breed those cubs back to an unknown. Hence why I was suggesting they be a twice yearly thing - one in February and one in August. The studs would be chalk and cheese in their designs then, so they would still be unique.



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Edited on 09/08/22 @ 08:30:41 by Dier ~ Gen1 ~ x6 Ros ~ 3K (#80015)

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2022-08-09 08:30:57
I see how it helps a select group of people , and everyone else gets left in the dust . It's becoming not fun to log on and grind like hell because I can't make nearly the money from studding that I did when Anubis was first released . I'm gonna heritage replace him whenever I can because he's a double rosette but it's just not feasible right now , and it disadvantages a huge group of people

Plus , like Luppiter and I have said several times , it's really August's thing. Unique events are cool , Feb's got slapping , march has got ,,, i don't actually know ? but March shouldn't also get studding . Events are unique and that's cool



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2022-08-09 08:33:11
The point of the unknown heritage studs isn't to be able to breed their cubs back to them - it's solely to introduce new BO bases / new BO markings in a unique way. And the August event is unique because of this feature.

I'm not necessarily sure how breeding Maneater cubs to heritageless February/March studs would be a rewarding goal. It would get pretty redundant after a while.

And August Maneaters are listed as "unknown" in heritages because they're NPC's. Arguing that they are listed as "unknown" for the purpose of generating low-gen lions is nonsensical, because the amount of people who stud dirty lionesses to these Maneater studs directly disputes that.



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2022-08-09 08:34:18
@Solarah It wouldn't leave people in the dust though, literally anyone could do it. For example, it wouldn't take loads of GB or time like statting which is unfeasible for most people

I do understand the point about the uniqueness. but like I say, for me, what's the point in having the august studs be unknown if you can't carry that on? That's just my thoughts anyway



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Posted on
2022-08-09 08:34:53
Clean breeding was never a real set objective when this game came out ! If that was the case it would be like other sim games where you CANT breed related lions together

Phrasing it like it was a direct objective of the lioden devs is just blatantly lying



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Edited on 09/08/22 @ 08:35:39 by 🏳️‍🌈 Solarah (#101607)







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