@midthedragon I would have to disagree with that. Those animals are super fast and I highly doubt a tripod lion would be able to catch them u less they were INCREDIBLY lucky. Lions who get injured on the legs are most often screwed, especially if it is permanent.

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Sounds awesome! Support!

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Support!! Nice idea I would love to see it on the game

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I fully support the idea of a special NCL exclusive mutation. How could it possibly break the market if like you said this is the only mutation available for NCLs? It has special breeding conditions which doesn’t make it any easier to obtain than other mutations. Also there is already Mutie on Demand so if anything is breaking the market there you go. I like the idea of NCLs being more interesting and more reason to look for them. I feel they are often overlooked because well most of them are bleh anyway. Lol


Also it’s a game it doesn’t need to be realistic. We literally take quests from gorillas and snakes. We can dress up our lions and make them be rainbow colored. Haha

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I like the idea of "tripawd" lions, but I'm not sure about it specifically being an NCL-exclusive mutation. It doesn't make much sense to me that something relatively common/mundane IRL (that multiple wild species, including lions, have been documented surviving with, so it is actually realistic) wouldn't have a random chance to occur in normal litters as well.

I think a distinctive-looking mane/fur-related mutation would make more sense to be NCL-exclusive, since the lionesses in question could have all come from a faraway pride where it originated or something to explain why it can *only* appear on NCLs and their descendants rather than showing up on any cub at random.

Overall I like this suggestion though and appreciate the effort that went into writing it, so I hope this feedback is helpful

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Thank you so much for your discussions about realism and hunting mechanics! This would be up to the game developers, but in my personal opinion, she probably wouldn't be able to hunt alone. Her mobility impairment would be too severe for her to properly chase down prey (imagine yourself trying to chase down a mouse while hopping on one leg - it's small, but still fast!). This being said, maybe the kind enclave Gorillas could offer a Prosthetic item to help her hunt! Or, even better, her pridemates could feed her, keeping her survival chances at 100%.

@October @Basi @Rhodie
Thank you so much all of you for the support!

@Fern
That feedback is super helpful, thank you!! Like I said, this suggestion is partially about Missing Limb as a mutation, and partially about NCL Exclusive Mutations as a mechanic. I didn't really have any specific reason to choose Missing Limb for this mutation - I thought it'd be easier to make lineart for (removing a paw vs. drawing a new mane mutation), but also I love the idea of an exotic mane mutation from a faraway pride

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No support.

Making claiming lionesses seem more unique and fun to come across is a good idea, But a mutation like this doesn't seem the right way to approach it to me.

When you start to claim a lioness, they are posed depending on their personality. Posed mutations are a thing, but when you look at them it's fairly easy to assume these are just one image layers that go on top of the whole thing so the lion doesn't have to be altered heavily. For a missing limb to work you can't do that, you'd have to erase the line art and the coloring for each pose and the ages and I honestly think that could be a tiring process to reuse the line art they already have. So I don't think it would be able to work as a posed mutation. The "bobbed tail" mutation is technically a missing limb already and even that isn't a posed mutation.

If they made new lineart for the mutation to make it a non-posed mutation, then that would be a lot of work for just a missing limb but then we also would also have the issue of not knowing the personality of the lioness we are claiming. Knowing the personality of the lioness makes it much easier to claim them and without the poses, I would defiantly be struggling. I would not put it on the artists to make new art for each type of personality either just for this mutation.

I would also like to bring up the point of decorations. If this would be a posed mutation then a lot of the leg decorations wouldn't work and it would look strange. Take the "leg wraps" decor, for example, 3 legs would be wrapped but since one of the legs or paws is missing then the decor would just be floating there. If it wasn't a posed mutation then the decor wouldn't fit at all. It's already a bit of a bummer to me that official decor can't usually fit on primals and hybrids so we'd have to turn to CD if we want more decoration (And that can already be pretty price heavy!). If I were to get a mutated lion from explore I would absolutely want to customize it with the official decor I already have without avoiding certain decor that interferes with the legs or having to buy new decor specifically to fit this new mutation.

But if I were to use no decor at all, The lions that come from exploring tend to be very bland or unappealing in general with their very bright yellows and sometimes Rudolf-red noses. Taking a limb away from them, wouldn't make me want it any more than I already did before unless I would be trying to breed it I suppose. But like you mentioned, I would require a pretty pricey item to even pass on the mutation.

While I don't think this idea is game-breaking if it were to be implemented, I just think it's inconvenient. I still do agree that we should have a more exciting and flavourful experience when claiming lionesses but again, it could be tackled differently than trying to add a new mutation. (Maybe an exclusive decor that can come with a lioness on very rare occasions?) This is just my opinion though and I'm 100% sure many people will think differently than I do since I can tend to have strange opinions or I gloss over solutions to the problems I think I've spotted. I apologize in advance If I've sounded rude in any way or if this was just too long to read.

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Support! Would definitely not break the mutie market! It’s not even a very easy mutation to pass! Adding pies and primals to NCLs would break the market, but having a non passing mutation would still leave a reason to buy a pie or a primal, since they pass. I mean, you don’t see the mutated groupies breaking the mutie market

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that might be given the it's an injury thing so you might want to have it missing at the shoulder or hip like it never grew in...

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(I knew a very sweet husky named Haiku ;))

Support. Also, I think that maybe most of the missing limb lionesses would be snarky, evil, or neutral. Being rejected by her pride, she would be harder to claim and not the friendliest towards you-after all, you'll probably make her leave too! Why should she be nice and good to you?

I think this would make a great mutation, but I do have several concerns:

Decors: A floating leg wrap. Wow.
Poses: I think they'd put a lot of work on the artists's shoulders, as, being claimmable, they'd have to draw five poses for the personalities, cub stages, adol males and females, and adults.
Passing: I think that it shouldn't be passable. Your gal was born with a missing limb, but unlike dwarfism or a mane mut, I don't see any reason gor her genes to pass it on? (I sucked at science at school, so I'm probably missing something). I think that, even with mut items, it shoild be unpassable
Chased lionesses: Sorry but yeah. Chased lionesses deginitely shoildn't be able to get this mutation. You're getting a first gen mutated lioness with BO marks? Nope.

I have voiced my concerns, but I geniinely think this is a good idea. It'd be a fun thing to add, and a way for newer players to get muties!
Thanks for reading!

-Miw

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This is an interesting idea, although I think it should have a small chance to be randomly produced through breeding instead of being found in explore.

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I'm just coming back to this, but what about instead of a missing limb (which I disagree with), we do like Fluffy ears. Especially since those are already planned to be in the game. Ear tufts I believe is what they are called.

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not really a fan of this, i feel like missing limbs are usually from wounds and not a mutation. it would also feel weird having a lioness claimed with a mutation that wasn't born to your pride. idk I just feel like its a bit out of place on lioden

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Sorry for the super long comment :P This took me an hour to write, though, so I'd really appreciate it if you'd read it :)

I actually really like this idea! But I think you might have to pick specifically what part it going to be missing. I don't think Lioden's artist wants to draw multiple different missing parts, because it would already need new art for every stage of its life. Also, if it is going to be claimed in explore, it would need an additional five line arts. This mutation being a claimable NCL is very unlikely because of all of the art redraws that need to be done, but I still think it would be cool! But I think it would be better without the NCL-exclusive feature solely because of the art issue.

Animals that are missing a leg usually get around really well, with very little mobility issues. If they are born without the limb, then they won't be reliant on it at all. After all, they don't know any other feeling, so it's no hindrance to them. "It turns out that quadrupeds, the scientific term for four-legged animals, are far more resilient than humans when it comes to losing a limb. In some cases, the lack of a leg amounts to little more than a mild inconvenience." (National Geographic.) I've seen three legged animals run, jump, and play just fine. I don't think they'd have much of a problem hunting, because three-legged house cats just fine, but I don't think Lioden will let them be hunters. "The loss of a limb rarely prevents animals from engaging in natural behaviors, says Melichar. “Most [tripods] can reproduce, raise their young, and survive just as well as a four-legged animal.” (National Geographic.) This lion was also able to hunt with only three legs; "...he’s figured out how to get around on three limbs, even joining his pride on hunts." (National Geographic.) Not all hunting is dangerous. The three-legged lioness could hunt smaller things like dik-dik, meerkats, and warthogs on it's own without the help of the pride.

If this gets approved Lioden will probably tank their speed and strength, but I don't think that's very fair to lower their speed stat. They get around just as well as a four-legged animal, they just look kinda funny as they walk. "...most three-legged animals can balance beautifully without a fourth leg, artificial or otherwise." (National Geographic.)

Also, if you need ideas for art, three-legged animals walk a little differently than four-legged animals. If they are missing a front leg, which is more unfortunate, they usually walk with their remaining front leg more toward the center. They also use their tails to balance, so maybe that could be incorporated into the art? But it would also be easier for the lioness to be missing a hing leg. “It’s easier on the animal if the leg [they lose] is one of the hind legs,” says McCloskey. “There's a lot of power in those back legs, and the one remaining leg can handle that force and additional weight pretty easily.” / For foxes, tigers, bears, and other animals who use their front legs for specialized activities such as digging and capturing prey, the loss of a front limb can impede their ability to survive in the wild." (National Geographic.)

Also, I think there should be an age cap on how old these mutated lionesses should be. ""In the wild, a solitary carnivore with a missing a limb may not fare as well as one in a pack,” says McCloskey. “Pack members really look out for each other.”" (National Geographic.) The lioness might not last long on her own, so I don't think the NCL should be over like 4 or 5 years old.

ALSO! I saw someone say that the pride would just leave this lion behind, but they actually wouldn't. "...a vehicle came across Clarence and his ladies. “Not only was he healthy and moving around with the pride, he was actually mating,” says Corne." (Jane Behrend.) Lionesses are quite picky about who they let mate with them, so this shows that they respect him[Clarence, the three-legged male] as their leader. Lionesses will overthrow a male that they see as unfit, they are not totally reliant on their males. "...groups of females chasing away males,..." (Ritu Prasad.) Some female-only prides are known to last for years. "In the wild, groups of lionesses do attack lions, typically in defence of their cubs or territory,..." (Rity Prasad.) "cases of wild lionesses that have attacked - and injured - male lions who upset them." he said." (Ritu Prasad.)

Lastly, this isn't related to the topic of tripod lionesses, but this does have to do with the topic. I don't think that this is the right mutation for the NCL idea. I love the idea of an NCL exclusive mutation, and I agree that it would in no way crash the market. But I just think that it would do better with a different mutation. I would LOVE to see tripod lionesses in game, but I just don't think that this is the right way to go about it. I still support, because I love the idea as a whole.

Here are my sources:
National Geographic
Jacob.
The lion in this article is a tripod because of amputation, but he was returned to the wild and is doing just fine. He is a good example of how they can survive and how the missing limb doesn't bother them even if they weren't born with it missing. Also, WARNING, this link does have a picture of open flesh!
Jacob walking.
Clarence. This link is also about a lion that was amputated. But in this one, Clarence(The amputated male) was actually the king of his pride. His lioness were indifferent to him, and he made a good leader even with his disability.
Females chasing away males
Female Only Pride being introduced to a male. This video is about introducing a male to the girls, but it does say that they were doing good without him for a little while. They established their territory and were hunting and surviving well.

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