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⚜️ Zuri ⚜️ (#247464)


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2024-02-03 00:00:00

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Healthy and unhealthy underpricing guide.

please note I’m not forcing anyone to change the way they price or play. This is simply put out there so people understand.

Underpricing, we all do it. We want out items gone fast I get it. But underpricing is undoubtedly why the market is in such shambles. Why you ask? Because there is two different levels of underpricing. There is unhealthy underpricing and healthy underpricing.

What IS underpricing? And why do people do it?


okay.. but are there Any expections for underpricing? Specifically unhealthy underpricing?



What is HEALTHY AND UNHEALTHY underpricing?



what’s your point?



How is this affecting the market? What do you mean?



Please let me know if I’ve missed, failed to explain or correct me on any of this information




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Edited on 10/03/24 @ 21:17:32 by ⚜️ Zuri ⚜️ (#247464)

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2024-02-18 02:04:42
It's February my freind, a buff in trade for most items will go a long way, simply capitalize on what you know will garentee you a good outcome and try to steer clear of just valuing items at GB think about breeding projects and items of inherent worth, when I logged back on after a year long hiatus I had nothing but 3 lion skulls worth of sb in my horde and now I'll have all my Lioness and king projects done for the foreseeable year or so, and that's even with the market being how it is, hay you can always buy a cheep DU and lion scooter her just saying sence they are valued by thare heats and add bases that are combo factors, it's a risky investment however it might give you some money in the long run, fodder cubs are allways nice



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2024-02-18 02:05:53
This game has allways been grinding reguardles of market, just stockpile breeding item's and you will be safe and best of all rich~



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2024-02-18 02:08:19
Buy a bunch of Buffalo scrotum with heart shells and sell or trade them, garentee of profit.



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Pajarita (#138867)


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2024-02-18 02:38:27
Not everyone wants to play like that, and I'm sure Yharnam is already aware of item flipping. The fact that the best way to make money on this game is to completely ignore its biggest mechanic is a pretty big issue IMO. Also, breeding items are seeing smaller and smaller profits each year.



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Ricky [Git gud lol] (#177615)

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2024-02-18 02:47:16
Everything on lioden is collapsing purely due to the newbie influx and the influence on the generation of lions from players who migrated from wolvden since its such an annoying game to try and play. there are tons of way to make profit, but yharman's statement is still true that stuff that used to be valued about 500gb and above are now only, in reality, a fraction of their original worth and it is realistically scary, and telling people not to panic when literally overnight their main point of profit becomes useless and they have to find a new one is sort of, well, its not going to work lol.

It is scary to see the market collapse with more and more items becoming unbought and unused, placed on accounts for years without being bought. I struggled to sell a 6k stats primal cub who was CLEAN for more than 10gb. Considering he was in actuality worth about 100gb and above, that is how bad the market has gotten and that is how i view it. This guide is helpful and it will be helpful if people get it out there, and it may just help the economy stabilise a little bit. I know that the economy fluctuates like the predator-prey cycle, but this is CONSTANT plummetting, it doesnt go up and when it does people dont buy because well, they were smart and stocked up on shit they needed during their respective events; which again leads to the lack of funds coming in for items, and ultimately makes the prices drop to an unhealthy low [i saw a buffy going for 15gb for most of last year because people were desperate, when in reality their worth has always been 25-35gb].

Mind the spelling mistakes, im shit at typing and i do it fast which leads to mistakes.



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[♰] Yharnam (#112370)

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2024-02-18 03:20:18
What PigeonSR said. I already know all of that. I'm an old hat at flipping breeding items. The problem is what both of the above users have said. Ochre Gnaws used to regularly go for 70+ GB out of season. Price dropped to 40-50 last year. I dread this year. GMOs, same deal, dropped last year. Those used to be my nest eggs i'd pop in the middle of summer. I'd get a ton off buff nards to carry me thru the whole year.

But I'd supplement it with combo base sales. Soul market's collapsed.
I'd supplement it with mutie sales. Mutie market has collapsed.

Unhealthy undercutting is a major issue on LD and has been for years. I was a very vocal advocate of responsible pricing and it's why this guide caught my eye! I was so relieved to see it.

But there's a lot more issues at play. The TikTok boom as only part of the equation. Devs also mucked up the patches/pie market a couple years back and it never recovered. I paid around 200 GB total for 2 patches apps whose prices plummeted to under half within a few months of black friday and the prices of G2 patches statty cubs dropped as well.

On top of that, too much new content is released, and old content markets collapse within a few months. They used to sustain for years. I remember the golden days of Madagascar selling for 30+ GB each for a DIRTY lion.

But that players are being forced into a single playstyle just to make a profit is, as Pigeon said, a huge issue when breeding on a breeding sim isn't a viable way to make profit anymore.

Appreciate you both coming in to explain better than I could, Ricky and Pigeon.



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Edited on 18/02/24 @ 03:21:51 by [♰] Yharnam (#112370)

Ricky [Git gud lol] (#177615)

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2024-02-18 03:31:06
Its alright yharnam and your explanation helped me frame mine, so no worries!

As yhar has said rather well, the market is going into a phase where we wont be able to turn the tables, and its moving into it swiftly. I would much rather see some art development and updates to the general site than new bases and markings when some marks have only one singular lion in existence [or up to 3, which are all fucking abandoned rls grrr]

The focus of the game development needs to change or lioden will become somewhere users cannot sustain themselves to meet the demands of the game when it comes to upkeeping your den, and as a result the game will be abandoned. Sure, then the prices may reverse over a few years of only dedicated members remaining, but what happens when the boom happens again, or people suddenly return when the market becomes more stable? it happens all over again in such a dire state that its more effort than not to stabilise it, and its certainly not worth it in the long-run.



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Edited on 18/02/24 @ 03:32:44 by Ricky [Git gud lol] (#177615)

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2024-02-18 09:42:27
All this is true however people will either have to adjust, wait it out or propose to the devs that a market clense should be done, you all have valid points but the best thing to hope for right now is that the addition of that new hybrid might raise prices on breeding item's again and that the new combo base will up prices on the stary base applicators that are like 2 GB rn and then they start on those new poses and what not and decor like they said they would, I'm simply saying thare is a way to make profit despite the Lioden equivalent of the Grate Depression but it just won't be like everyone incliudeing myself here is seeing



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[♰] Yharnam (#112370)

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2024-02-18 11:26:51
I think that there's a few things that might work:

- Combo Bases
Make new, highly voted bases on the suggestions forums which SPECIFICALLY utilize only existing base applicators paired with a rare breed-only base.

- Mutie Donation Function
A new currency which is specifically obtained through donating mutations. Make the items contained within this market storefront - potentially a subsect of gorilla enclave - which are highly sought after, very rare items. Perhaps the first could be an item that can be utilized once per lion lifetime to de-age it by 1 year. Like a portable April Springs which can be used year round. Set the price high. It will likely be prized by hybrid breeders and RLC breeders, and stat kings.

Gutting base apps and mutations out of the system and making existing app base lions more valuable would aid this game tremendously.



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2024-02-18 12:18:35
That's precisely why I'm excited for the new constalation base beacuse ot brings more value to prismatic, interstellar and lenonid again and I love that idea with the gorilla eanclave you should pitch that to the devs!



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[♰] Yharnam (#112370)

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2024-02-18 21:59:54
I'd love to make a suggestion, genuinely. But I'm already sitting on over a dozen QoL suggestions that have had not a peep despite being highly voted.

For example, my suggestion to clean up branch spam was posted in 2018 and has over 1.3k votes, my May token shop to deal with token bloat that was posted in 2019 with over 850 votes and my useless submales fix posted in 2017 with over 3.3k votes, and that's just for starters.

I appreciate so much that they've been adding QoL updates in batches, and I'm hoping so hard that this coming anniversary sees even more fixes and QoL updates. But I'm also trying to not make anymore suggestions until some of these get addressed.

I was really happy to see Divine and Demiurge were in that base's combo factors and I hope they use them. Demiurge is handsdown one of my favorite bases in the game and it guts me that the app's values have dropped.



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2024-02-20 05:07:12
I am not a very old player (grinding for more than a year and half now), but even that period has a lot changed, and we all need to constantly adapt, because usually what works, then a lot of people do it and then it becomes less rare in a way.
I think lioden is so amazing, in a way that you have 1000x of trails you can take and breed for/aim for/grind for and its constantly changing whats hyped up.
Dirty pies were 2-3gb minimum when i started, now g2s go for 2-3gb
Primals have basically zero value at this point now (bobbies, pfs, primals- who cares for 200sb trades) g3 feruses are couple gb aswell so nothing too fancy as before.
Breeding items i would say have a 30% pricedrop atleast by now but they at least hold the value a bit.

I think the only solution to this, that they add somethibg super new on what everyone will spend all their gb :D the jaglion or some new top tier breeding item thats hard to grind

Btw february is just too big grind compared to all the events thru the year, i dont understand why is it so radically strong event, ehy cant be 2-3 "similar" events like this



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[♰] Yharnam (#112370)

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2024-02-20 11:15:33
Feb was the big moneymaker in years past. Players used to be able to easily grind buffalo and lion scrotums and sell them for over 30 GB a pop only 2 months later. Players who were especially dedicated could grind dozens of them and be sitting on hundreds or thousands of GB and it was a very easy way for new players to find their footing, make their dream king and build their ideal pride and fund projects. That's why it was so big to everyone.

Just 2 years ago, buff scrotums still went for around 22 GB during February itself, and you could hold onto them until about August and sell them for 38+ GB each. It was a big payoff for folks willing to be patient.



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2024-02-20 11:34:34
Damn, seeing now taking buffies as 6gb, barks as 3gb i am sure it can hurt. I am "pretty new", but even I see a significant drop



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[♰] Yharnam (#112370)

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2024-02-20 12:14:50
Yeah. As we've put it, this is great for buyers and awful for sellers. Which, you may say, just grind them yourselves, but not everyone has time. Eventually, if the effort to grind them outweighs the benefits to sell, people may stop selling and just hoard them. Which I'm actually hoping happens and prices go back up but it's a pipe dream. But that still won't solve the oversaturation issue.

Branches actually need to be re-coded, so that inactive accounts, banned accounts and so forth are automatically removed, and I think it'd be fair if branches expired after like 30 days, and were auto-delisted. Might help.



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