I said that 'poacher', as a general term, means a person who illegally hunts animals when they have no real need to do so. That, in and of itself, is cruel- taking the life of an animal for no reason besides your own amusement. That is what a poacher is.

If they are hunting, but not simply for their own amusement/to get rich, then they are not a poacher, they are a hunter. There is a difference.

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Fawn, I apologize for the confusion.

Just so that everyone knows, I am defending this claim:

Not all poachers are cruel, greedy, or heartless.

I am defending this claim and this claim only.

Fawn, on your last statement, I do not wish to debate with you on the lying topic. I was only using it for general example.

Hopefully this clears up any confusion!

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thats pretty much what "poacher" means though

like what if I said "not all murderers kill people"

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http://www.mintpressnews.com/how-animal-poaching-threatens-human-stability/53331/

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-01-31/british-anti-poaching-pilot-dies-shot-down-in-tanzania/7127950

http://www.takepart.com/article/2012/05/15/guns-blazing-poachers-move-animals-humans



A person who hunts in order to get food (or the means to find it) out of hunger or desperation, and kills efficiently, quickly, and without waste, is a hunter.

A poacher is essentially a land pirate and criminal who kills for sport.

The legal definitions may or may not align with mine, but this is how I see it.

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These are good arguments! The only one I disagree with with is Point 2, if you're a poacher, you're in it for the money, unless your poaching is a form of invasive species control, and then it would just be called hunting. Poaching I believe is for profit or to fulfill tradition, which is a form of greed because you want to continue your culture at the expense of needlessly spent lives. I also believe everyone is inherently evil, so there's that XD.

Point 6 I strongly agree with though, if it weren't for this game I wouldn't know/care about poaching, sounds horrible I know, but no one is educated on it. The common excuse? "Oh, it's Africa's problem, not ours!" I'm guessing that collectively as a population cities do more damage to ecosystems than poachers. Even though poachers are knocking out species of animals which in turn destroys habitats, cities full of people living a normal lifestyle, such as getting gas to drive, creating waste and sewage, expanding borders and trashing what we already own, having wars (even though that's not really daily in most parts of the world), and overpopulating has the potential to destroy the atmosphere, worldwide habitats, the ocean, space, whatever environment we inhabit or are near usually gets depleted because of the way we live XP. I just guess we gotta get up and try to do something about everything if we find that we care enough, but that's usually not the case.

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I don't think anyone truly believes that every single poacher, (past, present, and future) is evil. That's an illogical thing to believe. That's like saying that every single person who has ever dealt drugs is a bad person. I'm sure there's a handful of people who turn to unsavory professions such as this because they believed that they have no choice but to do so.

But we can all agree that as a whole poaching is an awful thing that needs to be stopped. Regardless of the reasons behind it.

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Couldn't have said it better XD!

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Kailani hit the nail on the head in quite possibly the simplest way possible. I think that's what most of us are getting at here. cx

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In that case I mostly agree with you. No not all poachers are evil but those that have no chose do not feel they are doing good they know there actions are wrong and feel bad for it. Africa is a far different place then say the US. In Africa some people are not given any other option its do as I say or forfeit your life and your family's lives.


I was not trying to debate the lying with you I was making a point.

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Synchron, I'd like to ask you something. Let's take a look at your definitions:

'Hunter: Person who hunts animals for food or other IMPORTANT things. Most don't torture the animal and they don't go on mass animal slaughters. They typically don't hunt predators unless the predators are overpopulated and thus legal to hunt.

Poacher: Person who slaughters more animals than they need to, illegally, so they can get rich. They're greedy and selfish, and don't give a shit about the animals they kill. They're literally taking some poor animal's life, and giving it a painful, slow death, just so they can get themselves a mansion or something. Have no issues going after endangered species and predators.'

Using your definitions, I see a few key ideas.

Hunters: legal, only to survive/provide, only hunts plentiful species

Poachers: Illegal, only to get money and to satisfy their own greed, usually hunt rare species

But what if someone who had a legal license tortured the animals he was allowed to kill like your definition of poachers? What if someone who was killing illegally gave the animal a quick death? Your definitions are very unstable and don't give a lot of ground to the debate. Therefore, I will have to dismiss your definitions unless you are able to amend them, or give me a dictionary definition to poaching and hunting.

Wayward Angel, your definitions are also unsatisfactory. You say someone who hunts in order to get food or provide in a state of hunger or desperation is a hunter. By your definitions, what is a person who hunts because it is his profession? He has money and a comfortable life at home, so he is not desperate. He is not hungry, because he has some money from selling the animals he had killed quickly and efficiently. By your definition he is not a hunter because he is not hungry or desperate. So what is he then?

Also, Wayward Angel, your links do not tell me that every single poacher alive is cruel, greedy, or heartless. As said before, I am only defending that claim and that claim only.

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To Kailani, thank you for being very right! That's what I've been saying this whole time. However, if people want to debate that, yes, every single poacher is indeed cruel, greedy, or heartless, then so be it. I shall be there to argue the opposite.

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Africa is a very hard place to live. People want to feed their families, and have to do things they may no want to to do it. Some poachers regret the things they do in life. Jerry Manger never said poachers were a good thing. They just said not all of them are evil.

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Never said a hunter couldn't ever be a cruel asshole. It's possible, but very uncommon.

And a poacher doesn't have to give it a slow and painful death for it to still be wrong and cruel. An animal that doesn't deserve to die is still being mercilessly killed, for a trophy or someone's amusement, instead of something like food. That animal's death is pointless- they died for nothing but a greedy poacher's gain. It's still wrong.

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Synchron, let's take a look at your definitions again.

'Hunter: Person who hunts animals for food or other IMPORTANT things. Most don't torture the animal and they don't go on mass animal slaughters. They typically don't hunt predators unless the predators are overpopulated and thus legal to hunt.

Poacher: Person who slaughters more animals than they need to, illegally, so they can get rich. They're greedy and selfish, and don't give a shit about the animals they kill. They're literally taking some poor animal's life, and giving it a painful, slow death, just so they can get themselves a mansion or something. Have no issues going after endangered species and predators.'

What if someone illegally hunts something, regardless of rarity, to eat or provide for their family? What are they considered as? you said that, if illegal, then it is poaching and subsequently cruel. So? Is this hypothetical person truly cruel for killing an animal illegally for the sake of his family's welfare?

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I apologize for future arguments, I'm a bit tired. I do hope I can continue this discussion with everyone tomorrow! God bless.

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