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2016-10-14 11:11:05
I had a few people: Orcinus [Crazy Elephant King] (#31718) and Phantom StarsX ^ↀᴥↀ^ (#92256) tell me that this would be better in mutations.
Thank you Phantom for Pointing out that this can be a mutation within a person's body (people being born with Anemia).

"Sickle-cell anemia. People with sickle-cell anemia have a gene that causes the blood protein hemoglobin to form abnormally. As a result, red blood cells are produced in a sickle shape. “This can cause painful episodes called crises, and even strokes and heart attacks,” Murray says. People with sickle-cell anemia may also experience swelling in the hands and feet and a reduced ability to fight infection. Sickle-cell anemia is most common in African-Americans, Murray says, but it also sometimes affects people of Hispanic, Indian, and Mediterranean descent." - Jennifer Acosta Scott

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How it looks in the blood stream:

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(thanks to Husk for this picture and much more information.)

This essentially means that when these blood cells form a sickle shape they can die early and leave a very low amount of healthy red blood cells and are unable to carry enough oxygen throughout the body. Hemoglobin S cells can only live 16 days, compared to regular red blood cells that can last up to 120 days before being replaces by new cells.

Some questions maybe asked on:

a. What would this look like on our lions?
b. How would it affect our lions?
c. What causes it to happen?

Art Style Idea:

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(Sorry, I have really bad art. qq)

[NEW] There would also be swelling in the joints of the lion, plus other infections.


a. The answer to that is simple! Some of the noticeable signs on a human for anemia fatigue, pain, infections and delayed development. So if they were to do art for Anemia on a lion it would be probably that they are sitting, or laying down from being extremely tired because of the lack of blood/iron, maybe overtime develop infections or scars. (Essentially art on lion would look like they are exhausted)

b. Anemia affects our lions on the way of maybe not being able to hunt, not a lot of energy, and unable to do normal tasks of other lions/lionesses. (I think they'd still be able to hunt but not as many times in a day if they have Anemia)

c.
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"People with sickle cell disease have a kind of hemoglobin called hemoglobin S, or HbS. HbS molecules tend to clump together. This makes red blood cells sticky, stiff, and more fragile. HbS also causes cells to form into a curved, sickle shape." - Kidshealth.org

"People with two copies of the sickle cell gene have the disease. People who carry only one copy of the sickle cell gene do not have the disease, but may pass the gene on to their children." - "Understanding Evolution" (two lions would carry the gene but not have the disease, making them able to pass it onto their cub and them having Sickle Cell Anemia)

"Symptoms usually begin after a few months of age. (Before that age, the baby has a different hemoglobin, called fetal hemoglobin, which is not affected by the sickle cell gene.)" - Patient.info

Lions can die between ages of 9-13

I am currently unsure of how to maybe treat the Anemia other than maybe having like bone marrow from other animals being eaten by the lion/lioness.

Ideas from Comments: Lionesses dying with miscarriages if they have sickle cell. Higher chance for miscarriages.
Male lions with sickle cell are unable to be king.
Smaller bodies due to not enough oxygen.
Sickle Cell males die faster than females.




Weird Fact: Sickle Cell Anemia was a genetic mutation that happened thousands of years ago in malaria-prone regions in Africa. People with Sickle Cell Anemia are unable to get malaria.


Please ask questions and post suggestions because this isn't really everything I want to put on here yet! I want opinion from the community on making this happen!

[MORE GOING TO BE ADDED FOR INFORMATION]

Sources:
http://www.everydayhealth.com/anemia/anemia-and-heredity.aspx
http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/article/0_0_0/mutations_06
http://kidshealth.org/EN/images/illustrations/sickleCell-400x214-rd1-enIL.jpg
http://kidshealth.org/en/teens/sickle-cell-anemia.html
http://patient.info/health/sickle-cell-disease-and-sickle-cell-anaemia-leaflet
American Academy of Orthopaedic Surgeons



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Edited on 16/10/16 @ 12:32:20 by [P.P.A.] DJ Smiley (#22708)

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2016-10-14 12:47:08
I have no idea what SSA is but with lions eating tons of iron, it doesn't seem like that them dying early or it being lethal be plausible.



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2016-10-14 12:51:03
Changed it, sorry. Mistake on my part DX



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2016-10-14 12:51:35
Lol I couldn't help it Tazzie. When I read what you said "Dwarf" went through my mind I had to say it.

And yes... (do you prefer P.P.A., DJ, or smiley??) That was my point about the lethal thing.



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2016-10-14 12:53:02
P.P.A. is my clan tag so, DJ or Smiley works.



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2016-10-14 13:00:27
Its ok Phantom.
I was thinking of how the low oxygen will fare in a growing and a large body.
As Dj stated, 'If they eat more Iron, they may live longer';

Iron helps produce the blood, not open up the hemoglobin to bind the oxygen.
So essentially, they will produce more blood cells, however, whether or not the blood cells are normal or not, is a random chance.
I do agree that, if they eat a lot of Iron, they may be able to live longer, however again, we need to consider how the low oxygen in the blood, will effect the cells in the growing or a large body. owo



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Edited on 14/10/16 @ 20:01:39 by Tazzie's Side-IN UNI CLASS (#23876)

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2016-10-14 13:02:46
The art that is made for the lion may depict how big the lion actually is.



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2016-10-14 13:14:36
I just have to say that i think that if this is a possible future mutation, that it should be considered that a cub and adolescent would be more active than an adult. But since cubs can only go for training, and adolescents can only go out to watch the female/sub male. That if they make it past cub hood that they might make it past adol hood.

Also, how would this affect a female when she becomes pregnant? Seeing as a pregnant lioness's blood will be going more for the unborn cubs before her own body. Plus on top of the whole pregnancy thing, how will a male handle being king.

I think if this is implemented where they live to adult hood that the male is not able to breed like male leopons. And females should run a higher risk of dying during pregnancy (if she has the mutation) or having a miscarriage.

So right now i do not support. I might change my mind if more was discussed about pregnancy and being king.



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2016-10-14 13:19:03
I think a pregnant female would probably only have a few cubs, like instead of 1-4, 1 or two cubs max. We've been discussing energy levels.... Maybe males use 10 energy per breeding instead of 5? Coupled with a low energy (like a max of 70 or something) level it would make it a challenge to have anemic kings.


also Tazzie I know that lack of oxygen to the brain can cause some sort of hyperactive disorder (I'll tell you about my sisters dog sometime) and lack of oxygen to the blood, I could be wrong but it almost sounds like that would stunt growth, or slow it down. Maybe the anemia lions would be slightly smaller? Like not dwarf or leopon small but just a little smaller?



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2016-10-14 13:30:04
@Shadow2002 Those are very very good questions indeed. Now after researching pregnancy with sickle cell, this is my conclusion:

Lionesses with Sickle Cell run the high chance of miscarriage (premature birth and low body-weight for cub but these are not features in game). If infections can happen on a lioness, pregnancy can have those occur way more. Now for an added feature to a Lioness with Sickle Cell. If they are paired with CRB and other items, they have higher chances of producing lethal mutations and/or dying.

Now for a leopon male to breed with a sickle cell lioness would produce a very high chance for lethal mutations.

For a regular male lion to breed, patrol or do anything else, I believe it should be best that males with sickle cell are unable to become king because they live shorter life spans and do not have as much energy as other male lions would (still unsure because there are no real advantages of having a sickle cell male as a king other than if people wanted to stat replace a king with sickle cell faster). In most cases, males with sickle cell tend to die faster than a female with sickle cell. Sub-males with sickle cell can still patrol but maybe not as often as other Sub-males.



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2016-10-14 13:31:12
@Phantom As said before, if the art was implemented, Sickle Cell lions would look slightly smaller due to not developing correctly.



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2016-10-14 13:36:58
That might be the case, being smaller than normal to function right.
Also, i agree with ya theory that the female would use up more energy to do things, same with males.
However, bringing up pregnancy - Shadow has a point, maybe they have a high chance of miscarriages and dying while giving birth?

Good ideas Shadow owo



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Edited on 14/10/16 @ 20:38:38 by Tazzie's Side-IN UNI CLASS (#23876)

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2016-10-14 13:38:03
Yea, very good ideas.



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2016-10-14 13:38:27
I like mutie kings so I'd probably king one if it was possible even if it was as bad as I was saying earlier.
Here's a question though, should the female, should she miscarry (maybe a 20% chance that happen each day she's pregnant??), would she end up with the CRB effect?

Lol I hope you don't mind me too much, this kinda has me running with the idea ball, and I know I'm a chatterbox



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2016-10-14 13:39:55
@Phantom I believe so, yes. But if you use the CRB before she can naturally miscarry, you should be able to get a higher chance for mutation.



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2016-10-14 13:41:59
What i meant is that a male leopon is unable to breed anyways and that a male with sickle cell shouldnt be able to become king seeing as it would have lower energy.


I just don't see a need for this mutation, since you are unable to actually see what it is doing to the lioness, cub, adol, male lion. Other than it being weaker and smaller.



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