Posted by [MUTATION] Sickle Cell Anemia

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2016-10-14 11:11:05
I had a few people: Orcinus [Crazy Elephant King] (#31718) and Phantom StarsX ^ↀᴥↀ^ (#92256) tell me that this would be better in mutations.
Thank you Phantom for Pointing out that this can be a mutation within a person's body (people being born with Anemia).

"Sickle-cell anemia. People with sickle-cell anemia have a gene that causes the blood protein hemoglobin to form abnormally. As a result, red blood cells are produced in a sickle shape. “This can cause painful episodes called crises, and even strokes and heart attacks,” Murray says. People with sickle-cell anemia may also experience swelling in the hands and feet and a reduced ability to fight infection. Sickle-cell anemia is most common in African-Americans, Murray says, but it also sometimes affects people of Hispanic, Indian, and Mediterranean descent." - Jennifer Acosta Scott

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How it looks in the blood stream:

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(thanks to Husk for this picture and much more information.)

This essentially means that when these blood cells form a sickle shape they can die early and leave a very low amount of healthy red blood cells and are unable to carry enough oxygen throughout the body. Hemoglobin S cells can only live 16 days, compared to regular red blood cells that can last up to 120 days before being replaces by new cells.

Some questions maybe asked on:

a. What would this look like on our lions?
b. How would it affect our lions?
c. What causes it to happen?

Art Style Idea:

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(Sorry, I have really bad art. qq)

[NEW] There would also be swelling in the joints of the lion, plus other infections.


a. The answer to that is simple! Some of the noticeable signs on a human for anemia fatigue, pain, infections and delayed development. So if they were to do art for Anemia on a lion it would be probably that they are sitting, or laying down from being extremely tired because of the lack of blood/iron, maybe overtime develop infections or scars. (Essentially art on lion would look like they are exhausted)

b. Anemia affects our lions on the way of maybe not being able to hunt, not a lot of energy, and unable to do normal tasks of other lions/lionesses. (I think they'd still be able to hunt but not as many times in a day if they have Anemia)

c.
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"People with sickle cell disease have a kind of hemoglobin called hemoglobin S, or HbS. HbS molecules tend to clump together. This makes red blood cells sticky, stiff, and more fragile. HbS also causes cells to form into a curved, sickle shape." - Kidshealth.org

"People with two copies of the sickle cell gene have the disease. People who carry only one copy of the sickle cell gene do not have the disease, but may pass the gene on to their children." - "Understanding Evolution" (two lions would carry the gene but not have the disease, making them able to pass it onto their cub and them having Sickle Cell Anemia)

"Symptoms usually begin after a few months of age. (Before that age, the baby has a different hemoglobin, called fetal hemoglobin, which is not affected by the sickle cell gene.)" - Patient.info

Lions can die between ages of 9-13

I am currently unsure of how to maybe treat the Anemia other than maybe having like bone marrow from other animals being eaten by the lion/lioness.

Ideas from Comments: Lionesses dying with miscarriages if they have sickle cell. Higher chance for miscarriages.
Male lions with sickle cell are unable to be king.
Smaller bodies due to not enough oxygen.
Sickle Cell males die faster than females.




Weird Fact: Sickle Cell Anemia was a genetic mutation that happened thousands of years ago in malaria-prone regions in Africa. People with Sickle Cell Anemia are unable to get malaria.


Please ask questions and post suggestions because this isn't really everything I want to put on here yet! I want opinion from the community on making this happen!

[MORE GOING TO BE ADDED FOR INFORMATION]

Sources:
http://www.everydayhealth.com/anemia/anemia-and-heredity.aspx
http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/article/0_0_0/mutations_06
http://kidshealth.org/EN/images/illustrations/sickleCell-400x214-rd1-enIL.jpg
http://kidshealth.org/en/teens/sickle-cell-anemia.html
http://patient.info/health/sickle-cell-disease-and-sickle-cell-anaemia-leaflet
American Academy of Orthopaedic Surgeons



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Edited on 16/10/16 @ 12:32:20 by [P.P.A.] DJ Smiley (#22708)

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2016-11-07 21:28:43
interresting! Support



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2016-11-12 10:06:21
Hmmm, I wanted to give some clarification especially in regards to some earlier comments. Sickle cell anemia is not like iron-deficiency anemia where more iron would make it better or less severe. The amino acid substitution (glu -> val) causes a mutation in the globin portion of hemoglobin, which is the protein portion. It does not affect the heme portion, which is where the iron sits. Therefore, even with normal or excess iron intake, the iron portion will be produced normally, and the abnormal protein globin chains cause the clumping and sickling cells.

The red blood cells do not sickle spontaneously. They sickle when in a deoxygenated environment such as the extremities. When the red blood cells are carrying oxygen, the are shaped normally, when they unload their oxygen to tissues, they will sickle. If the cells make it back to the lungs, they may return to normal once they take up oxygen again. Eventually, the cells lose elasticity, become irreversibly sicked, and are unable to take up or deliver oxygen, resulting in anemia. So at any given time, there is a population of normal cells, reversibly sickled cells, and irreversibly sickled cells.

Because the sickle cells develop in a deoxygenated environment, vigorous exercise also causes cells to sickle . The lion would not be able to hunt due to risk of an acute crisis which would be painful, icepick to your bones painful. The life expectancy is a little high too. Without treatment, a hypothetical lion with sickle cell disease would probably die in childhood, before 1 year. Optimistically it could live about half of its lifespan, so 7-8 years, and would die of infection or organ failure.

TL:DR Sickle cell anemia is more serious than iron-deficiency anemia and a lion's natural high iron diet would not reduce its severity. Theoretically, It would result in Lioden lions not being able to hunt and they would live shorter lives.



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2016-11-12 14:41:14
SCA isn't pretty, that's for sure.



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Husk (#37594)

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2016-11-12 14:48:20
Having Sickle Cell Crisis having a chance to occur in these lions would be an interesting prospect... and a good cause for that early death. Though there are several crisis as well. ACS, Aplastic, ect.
Maybe it's just the medicine loving side in me but there are some neat potentials for this as a non-visible mutation, if you will.
edit: SCC can be a coverall for all the crisis or mixing there of multiple crisis.



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Edited on 12/11/16 @ 21:49:28 by Husk (#37594)

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It also hurts to get an erection so maybe like take more energy (instead of 5%) or something



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2017-04-26 01:16:21
In overallness, we already are getting the ovary thing which is a non-seeable mutation so I don't see why this can't be a thing!



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2017-07-04 11:42:25
Wonderful idea! I've been wanting to see more mutations that kinda suck to have, because it would make breeding them more fun. Having to avoid certain mutations, or at least preferring to have others over them, would add more complications. Now, I am no mutie breeder (Though I wish I was) but if I were, I would definitely want a challenge.



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2017-07-06 16:06:03
I read the whole thing.
I was gonna support anyways before reading it.

I love this kind of stuff and feel like more people should know about it.



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2020-05-15 23:46:24
Support, but I think they should have shorter lives. I think 6 years old is when they should die.



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My dude this suggestion died 3 years ago, despite the support....



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Why not revive it?



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