Posted by [MUTATION] Sickle Cell Anemia

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2016-10-14 11:11:05
I had a few people: Orcinus [Crazy Elephant King] (#31718) and Phantom StarsX ^ↀᴥↀ^ (#92256) tell me that this would be better in mutations.
Thank you Phantom for Pointing out that this can be a mutation within a person's body (people being born with Anemia).

"Sickle-cell anemia. People with sickle-cell anemia have a gene that causes the blood protein hemoglobin to form abnormally. As a result, red blood cells are produced in a sickle shape. “This can cause painful episodes called crises, and even strokes and heart attacks,” Murray says. People with sickle-cell anemia may also experience swelling in the hands and feet and a reduced ability to fight infection. Sickle-cell anemia is most common in African-Americans, Murray says, but it also sometimes affects people of Hispanic, Indian, and Mediterranean descent." - Jennifer Acosta Scott

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How it looks in the blood stream:

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(thanks to Husk for this picture and much more information.)

This essentially means that when these blood cells form a sickle shape they can die early and leave a very low amount of healthy red blood cells and are unable to carry enough oxygen throughout the body. Hemoglobin S cells can only live 16 days, compared to regular red blood cells that can last up to 120 days before being replaces by new cells.

Some questions maybe asked on:

a. What would this look like on our lions?
b. How would it affect our lions?
c. What causes it to happen?

Art Style Idea:

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(Sorry, I have really bad art. qq)

[NEW] There would also be swelling in the joints of the lion, plus other infections.


a. The answer to that is simple! Some of the noticeable signs on a human for anemia fatigue, pain, infections and delayed development. So if they were to do art for Anemia on a lion it would be probably that they are sitting, or laying down from being extremely tired because of the lack of blood/iron, maybe overtime develop infections or scars. (Essentially art on lion would look like they are exhausted)

b. Anemia affects our lions on the way of maybe not being able to hunt, not a lot of energy, and unable to do normal tasks of other lions/lionesses. (I think they'd still be able to hunt but not as many times in a day if they have Anemia)

c.
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"People with sickle cell disease have a kind of hemoglobin called hemoglobin S, or HbS. HbS molecules tend to clump together. This makes red blood cells sticky, stiff, and more fragile. HbS also causes cells to form into a curved, sickle shape." - Kidshealth.org

"People with two copies of the sickle cell gene have the disease. People who carry only one copy of the sickle cell gene do not have the disease, but may pass the gene on to their children." - "Understanding Evolution" (two lions would carry the gene but not have the disease, making them able to pass it onto their cub and them having Sickle Cell Anemia)

"Symptoms usually begin after a few months of age. (Before that age, the baby has a different hemoglobin, called fetal hemoglobin, which is not affected by the sickle cell gene.)" - Patient.info

Lions can die between ages of 9-13

I am currently unsure of how to maybe treat the Anemia other than maybe having like bone marrow from other animals being eaten by the lion/lioness.

Ideas from Comments: Lionesses dying with miscarriages if they have sickle cell. Higher chance for miscarriages.
Male lions with sickle cell are unable to be king.
Smaller bodies due to not enough oxygen.
Sickle Cell males die faster than females.




Weird Fact: Sickle Cell Anemia was a genetic mutation that happened thousands of years ago in malaria-prone regions in Africa. People with Sickle Cell Anemia are unable to get malaria.


Please ask questions and post suggestions because this isn't really everything I want to put on here yet! I want opinion from the community on making this happen!

[MORE GOING TO BE ADDED FOR INFORMATION]

Sources:
http://www.everydayhealth.com/anemia/anemia-and-heredity.aspx
http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/article/0_0_0/mutations_06
http://kidshealth.org/EN/images/illustrations/sickleCell-400x214-rd1-enIL.jpg
http://kidshealth.org/en/teens/sickle-cell-anemia.html
http://patient.info/health/sickle-cell-disease-and-sickle-cell-anaemia-leaflet
American Academy of Orthopaedic Surgeons



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Edited on 16/10/16 @ 12:32:20 by [P.P.A.] DJ Smiley (#22708)

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2016-10-18 08:46:23
I think I misunderstood what you said lol. I read it kinda quickly. Sorry. :)



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2016-10-18 08:47:35
It's okay. Though I mean the whole reason why I wanted to make this a thing was because we already have several unrealistic lion mutations already. And several without art.



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2016-10-18 08:53:31
Exactly. And with deaf and epileptic lions being planned, sickle cell anemia isn't that far a stretch.



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2016-10-18 08:55:41
Mhm, exactly



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2016-10-18 09:13:06
Lol I happen to be a possible carrier of sickle cell, my dad had it, so it tickled me to see this.



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2016-10-18 09:17:53
You've got my support. This is a really interesting mute in my opinion! I don't really enjoy most other non-lethal mutes and this just seems like a cool one to have.



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2016-10-18 13:18:46
I don't think realism regarding sickle cell actually is a good counter point as we already have mutations you'd not see. I'd be interested in invisible mutations. And I like the idea of having a lion with a potentially lower life span/sudden death as a realistic twist as morbid as that seems.



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2016-10-18 13:22:16
Yea but there would definitely be a different pose and look for the lion.



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2016-10-18 13:39:43
right. right but I meant compared to other more noticeable mutations, if I have time I'd like to maybe sketch out an idea for the look



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2016-10-18 13:45:17
That'd be very helpful! Thank you!



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2016-10-18 13:46:17
Yeah I b see what you guys mean, like let's say that the adult pose could be similar to the female adolescent pose but with the head hanging low and with bags under their eyes. While having a flavor health text for each age group.

Cub: 'Sickle' had a hard time keeping up with the other cubs today....it seems to get tired more easily.
Adolescent: 'Sickle' recently passed out during a training session, when you checked on them they gave you a sad smile.
Adult: 'Sickle' tends to lay around a lot more, they get tired from just running the length of the den, they might not be long for the world.
Death: 'Unfortunately, Sickle died in their sleep last night, but now they look well rested for once.



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2016-10-18 14:43:56
the flavor text for the cub would show up after 3-6 months



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2016-10-20 09:42:30
Ok my main problem with this is that because you have sickle cell you have less oxygen circulating. Because of that you need blood transfusions a lot of the time so that your vein and arteries don't get clogged.

So:
1. You can't give a lion a blood transfusion
2. Have sickle cell makes you more likely to get a disease
3. This would end up being deadly otherwise you can't have this happening possibly
4. THIS MAY CAUSE ORGAN FAILURE
5. I know because my father works at a blood bank for a hospital
6. I SAY A BIG NO TO THIS SUGGESTION

But this is my own a opinion



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2016-10-20 10:32:38
Very good opinion! But they can add items to help sickle cell lions and it doesn't have to be as realistic with blood transfusions



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2016-10-20 23:34:42
Counter point as a student in the medical field, sickle cell does not always require a blood transfusion. If your dad works at a blood bank he is probably see those who do, but it's not all. Also we have items that can change gender, make a lion basically immortal with a lethal mutation, instantly applies marks or removes them, makes a mark carry to the next litter no matter what so an item for this wouldn't be a stretch.



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