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2016-10-14 11:11:05
I had a few people: Orcinus [Crazy Elephant King] (#31718) and Phantom StarsX ^ↀᴥↀ^ (#92256) tell me that this would be better in mutations.
Thank you Phantom for Pointing out that this can be a mutation within a person's body (people being born with Anemia).

"Sickle-cell anemia. People with sickle-cell anemia have a gene that causes the blood protein hemoglobin to form abnormally. As a result, red blood cells are produced in a sickle shape. “This can cause painful episodes called crises, and even strokes and heart attacks,” Murray says. People with sickle-cell anemia may also experience swelling in the hands and feet and a reduced ability to fight infection. Sickle-cell anemia is most common in African-Americans, Murray says, but it also sometimes affects people of Hispanic, Indian, and Mediterranean descent." - Jennifer Acosta Scott

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How it looks in the blood stream:

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(thanks to Husk for this picture and much more information.)

This essentially means that when these blood cells form a sickle shape they can die early and leave a very low amount of healthy red blood cells and are unable to carry enough oxygen throughout the body. Hemoglobin S cells can only live 16 days, compared to regular red blood cells that can last up to 120 days before being replaces by new cells.

Some questions maybe asked on:

a. What would this look like on our lions?
b. How would it affect our lions?
c. What causes it to happen?

Art Style Idea:

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(Sorry, I have really bad art. qq)

[NEW] There would also be swelling in the joints of the lion, plus other infections.


a. The answer to that is simple! Some of the noticeable signs on a human for anemia fatigue, pain, infections and delayed development. So if they were to do art for Anemia on a lion it would be probably that they are sitting, or laying down from being extremely tired because of the lack of blood/iron, maybe overtime develop infections or scars. (Essentially art on lion would look like they are exhausted)

b. Anemia affects our lions on the way of maybe not being able to hunt, not a lot of energy, and unable to do normal tasks of other lions/lionesses. (I think they'd still be able to hunt but not as many times in a day if they have Anemia)

c.
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"People with sickle cell disease have a kind of hemoglobin called hemoglobin S, or HbS. HbS molecules tend to clump together. This makes red blood cells sticky, stiff, and more fragile. HbS also causes cells to form into a curved, sickle shape." - Kidshealth.org

"People with two copies of the sickle cell gene have the disease. People who carry only one copy of the sickle cell gene do not have the disease, but may pass the gene on to their children." - "Understanding Evolution" (two lions would carry the gene but not have the disease, making them able to pass it onto their cub and them having Sickle Cell Anemia)

"Symptoms usually begin after a few months of age. (Before that age, the baby has a different hemoglobin, called fetal hemoglobin, which is not affected by the sickle cell gene.)" - Patient.info

Lions can die between ages of 9-13

I am currently unsure of how to maybe treat the Anemia other than maybe having like bone marrow from other animals being eaten by the lion/lioness.

Ideas from Comments: Lionesses dying with miscarriages if they have sickle cell. Higher chance for miscarriages.
Male lions with sickle cell are unable to be king.
Smaller bodies due to not enough oxygen.
Sickle Cell males die faster than females.




Weird Fact: Sickle Cell Anemia was a genetic mutation that happened thousands of years ago in malaria-prone regions in Africa. People with Sickle Cell Anemia are unable to get malaria.


Please ask questions and post suggestions because this isn't really everything I want to put on here yet! I want opinion from the community on making this happen!

[MORE GOING TO BE ADDED FOR INFORMATION]

Sources:
http://www.everydayhealth.com/anemia/anemia-and-heredity.aspx
http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/article/0_0_0/mutations_06
http://kidshealth.org/EN/images/illustrations/sickleCell-400x214-rd1-enIL.jpg
http://kidshealth.org/en/teens/sickle-cell-anemia.html
http://patient.info/health/sickle-cell-disease-and-sickle-cell-anaemia-leaflet
American Academy of Orthopaedic Surgeons



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Edited on 16/10/16 @ 12:32:20 by [P.P.A.] DJ Smiley (#22708)

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2016-10-14 13:42:51
Will the CRB kill her tho if used to many times? It would put a strain on the females body with all the miscarriages and such.

Nah, dont worry Phantom, im just thinking, and thinking e-e

@Shadow, Where still brainstorming the effects but alright owo I do see where ya coming form and its true, where all over the place.



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Edited on 14/10/16 @ 20:43:54 by Tazzie's Side-IN UNI CLASS (#23876)

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2016-10-14 13:43:54
@Tazzie Yes, she could die from it but it would be like if she had a buffalo ball used on her as well, the chances of dying would rise.



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2016-10-14 13:45:41
@Shadow Oh, I understand that. And also "I just don't see a need for this mutation, since you are unable to actually see what it is doing to the lioness, cub, adol, male lion. Other than it being weaker and smaller."

Well I mean there is no reason for any other mutation to happen other than just for art and uniqueness.



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2016-10-14 13:46:37
@Shadow But I mean in this case, if you had a sickle cell lady, you could breed even more "useless" mutations.



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2016-10-14 13:49:08
Yes i understand that. But most of the time mutations (depending on what they are) sell for quite a bit. Seeing as this would slightly lower the life span of the lion/lioness.


Also a question that just kind of popped up after my question about a pregnant lioness.

Would the cubs have a higher chance of dying if born from a mother with this mutation? Since you said they might be under weight.

Well i will look at the answers tomorrow and see if anything has changed. I have to get to bed so i can get to work on time tomorrow.



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2016-10-14 13:51:28
@Shadow Weight is not a thing implemented in the game, so no. But if it was, yes. But they only become under weight because of being prematurely born which is also not a thing in the game.
And also most people buy mutes for the art, not really for the actual value of the mute.



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2016-10-14 13:53:03
I was just gonna say that D.J. Lol

I personally think that anemic males should be able to be kinged, just with lower max energy and breeding thing.
I also think that anemic could be passable like leopons but with different chances.
Like a female has a 5% chance of passing and males have 5% or less chance of passing but between two parents a ten percent? With max ages, and the odds of females dying while pregnant I don't see this overflooding the system with anemic lions. I'm not sure though. What do you guys think? Maybe males don't have a pass rate? Or maybe males only have a pass rate if bred to another anemic lion?

Also shadow blind and eye less mutations don't do anything, people still use them.



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Edited on 14/10/16 @ 20:54:32 by Phantom StarsX ^ↀᴥↀ^ (#92256)

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2016-10-14 13:55:09
I think the pass rate should only be the females for leopon.



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2016-10-14 14:03:38
Yeah you might be right. I still think males should be able to be kinged though. :) I find this suggestion fascinating though, my grandma was anemic (not SCA though) so it'd be interesting to see it in the game.



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2016-10-14 14:12:23
I believe I am anemic as well but like I thought this would be a pretty cool addition.



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2016-10-14 15:18:54
I'm actually going to be covering (I'm really assuming here but the book has already talked about it) Sickle-Cell in my next chapter (EMT book), if I get any nice information I'd be happy to share. I'll actually nab my book and see what it says.



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2016-10-14 15:21:02
That would be very nice! PM me any information and the source please!



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2016-10-14 15:26:45
My source would be Emergency Care and Transportation of The Sick and Injured latest edition, I have it up and will be sending you information and screenshots shortly :) They do have in in this chapter.



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2016-10-14 15:42:06
Thank you!



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2016-10-14 15:53:21
prepare for me messing up 1,000 times. I can give images for your thread if need as there are demonstrations in the book and in class we will cover it with out instructors (Tuesday)



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