Posted by Hiding Triggering Images for Players

ratthew {G2 Torn
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2020-03-04 20:56:58
WHEW. So. How about that news post?

For those uninformed, Lioden has officially stated that they're going to start rolling out more self-censorship features. This means that we, as players, can expect in the sometime future for there to be a feature that hides NSFW or gore images, and then some.

I don't know if this is due to our efforts on this topic or not, but either way, it's a HUGE win for everyone here. Thank you all so much for your support!

As with every other edit, I'm leaving the rest of this post the same. But as of right now, I think we can officially consider this a success! <3


EDIT: I'm putting this at the beginning because it's important. The event is over but this is STILL a problem that persists in the game. I implore you to not ignore this for the next year until more people have to go through this again. Thank you. Edit over.

Hi all! I realize this was posted about a year ago, and was met with a very split responses. So I'm here to also post! I please ask that you read the whole post before supporting or not supporting.

So, as the title says, this suggestion is to hide gore or bloody images for players who are sensitive to that sort of thing! Everyone pretty much gets the gist of what this is, as I have seen old topics like it. But I figure some people might have questions, so I'm prepared to answer those! Let's start with a bit of FAQ.

Q: This game is 16+, and should have gore/blood (and other adult themes) in it, as that's how lions work.

A: Sure! This game is 16+, but that doesn't mean everyone 16 or over wants to see a fairly realistic drawing of an elephant with its face torn off. Not seeing blood/gore wouldn't ruin an integral part of this game, such as taking away breeding, another 16+ topic. As for the "that's how lions work" part, well, this game isn't *really* that realistic, now is it? We literally have an event based around the apocalypse. We have green and blue and pink lions. We meet a manticore and fight with heaven and hell.

Q: Why not just disable the whole event?

A: Why should someone have to cease from playing the game because of something that can easily be avoided? Events are such an important part of this game and community, and to force someone not to be a part of it because they're sensitive to seeing images that depict terrible things isn't a good way to handle this. If someone wants to still participate, they should be able to! Also, the March event in particular also helps to raise funds for anti-poaching organizations. To force players to hide the event could negatively impact funds raised.

Q: Why can't you just use adblock and block the images that way?

A: First off, that would require having to look at the images first in order to get the image url to block them. Secondly, that doesn't work on mobile, which a LOT of players use primarily! Having a toggle would be much better suited for mobile players.

Q: Yeah, but I want to see gore.

A: You can! The idea I have in mind is a toggle that appears on a users page in the same area you would change your password. There, you can use a toggle to disable gorey images. Maybe in the future, if enough support is gained, there can be support for the sexually explicit images of lions in the February event.

Q: But there's so much other triggering stuff besides the event! How are you gonna hide that?

A: Simply put, you don't need to. If you don't want to interact with bloody looking lions, you don't have to. However, in order to enjoy the game to its fullest, you DO have to play the events. There is literally never a point in time on this site that there isn't an event going on.

Q: What would the images be instead?

A: Depends on what's easiest to do! It could be a blurred image instead, or the image could simply not load in, or it could just be replaced by a generic "BLOCKED" sign or something of the sort. It could also be an option to hide ALL event images while still keeping the event text up. Honestly, anything to make people more comfortable would work!

Q: Why should the devs waste time on this?

A: Well, because the players are important! Without them, there would be no game, and no matter how small the minority who NEED this are, the people who want it are probably a larger group in total. I'm uncomfortable with seeing this stuff, sure, but I'm not having a panic attack upon seeing this and being forced out of playing the whole game for a month because I physically cannot stand seeing it, like others are. I see no reason why people should be excluded from the fun of this game because of things that are out of their control, and I'd hope that the devs can see that too.


These are just some frequently asked questions I noticed on other similar boards I thought I'd take care of, but if anyone else has questions, please feel free to ask those! I'm very willing to talk to anyone who's interested in supporting, or anyone who is wary about supporting.

:::EDIT:::

Bezthiel made an absolutely excellent point, that I'm going to quote here:

"If the ToS says:
6.1
You are bound by, and must comply with, our Code of Conduct.

6.2
You also agree that you will not in connection with the Game:
breach any applicable law, regulation or code of conduct;
publish or send any Content (including links or references to other content), or otherwise behave in a manner, which:
is defamatory, threatening, harassing, invasive of privacy, offensive, vulgar, racist, hateful, discriminatory, obscene, pornographic, sexually suggestive, misleading, abusive or deceptive or which attacks sexual orientation, promotes self-harm or eating disorders, involves murder, rape, suicide, terrorism, excessive gore or hacking;

Then these are things that I can reasonably assume are not mentioned in site context.

Yet rape, suicide, and gore certainly are. We should either be warned or be able to opt out.

And before anyone says "but the newspost!" The 'excuse us for being blunt' is not the same as 'you will be shown pictures of horribly tortured, maimed, animals'. A warning is blunt."

A few suggestions have been made about the overall functioning of the system! In general, it seems a lot of people enjoy the idea of just disabling explore images in general. This is a simple solution and could work wonders for everyone.

On the other side of the spectrum, we have suggestions where players could pick and choose which images to disable, whether that be by a category (NSFW images) or by looking at a list of image descriptions and disabling them that way.

To reflect these options, I've changed the name of the topic from "Hiding Gore for Players" to "Hiding Triggering Images for Players" as we've come to the conclusion that it isn't just gore that's the problem.



This suggestion has 257 supports and 75 NO supports.



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Edited on 08/05/20 @ 12:11:20 by clay {CLEAN Solaris!} (#128553)

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Posted on
2020-03-04 21:05:05
I support it, not For me but others could benefit from it



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2020-03-04 21:10:59
Support! Images like lioness kills are small and not terribly gorey, but a lot of the images this month are terrible. I hate how the "solution" is to just block the images yourself. I understand why the site does not want to block them, but honestly sometimes you have to think about what the people want instead of just what the programmers want



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2020-03-04 21:52:31
no support, you can already do this.



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2020-03-04 21:57:45
Mobile players can’t really though, and even if you can already do something by some means doesn’t mean there shouldn’t be an easier way to do it.



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2020-03-04 22:02:10
I feel like this would defeat the purpose of this event. No support. Yes, I too am disturbed by some of the imagery on Lioden with this event, but people need to know this actually happens. I don't want to live in a world where we sweep so many detrimental things like this under the rug and pretend it doesn't happen.



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Edited on 04/03/20 @ 22:03:40 by 🌟 Lusitano 🌟 (#952)

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Posted on
2020-03-04 22:04:13
I think this affects much more than this event, and it’s not a bad thing. Remember the maggot decor from January? Wouldn’t it be nice to have an easy way to avoid looking at stuff like that available on the site itself?

And it wouldn’t take away from the message. We can still acknowledge what happens and take steps to avoid being triggered by the imagery of it.



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Edited on 04/03/20 @ 22:05:21 by R - Rhodonite (#171993)

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Posted on
2020-03-04 22:07:33
@Vitani - Can you tell me how you're able to do this already? I might be uninformed.

@Lusitano - I don't think showing people images of gore is a good way to rally support. At least in my case, seeing doesn't affect whether or not I will support a cause. Worse case scenario, people might actually *avoid* supporting to those causes, in case their websites or brochures send those images to them based on how they show their support.



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2020-03-04 22:50:54
If it's a toggle I don't see how it'd be much of an issue to add? IMO is also good for people to take initiative and block things they dislike, but a toggle would be doing the same thing just a lot easier probably?

If possible can we like, add some of them breeding kinda febuary events to this too? them encounters make me nauseous 90% of the time xD
Maybe like a 'Show/Hide NSFW' toggle or something Which may be beneficial if people are at places like work/school that wouldn't approve of gore n junk?



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2020-03-04 23:27:42
@Zambz = I definitely like the idea of hiding all NSFW things in general! This is 16+ anyhow, NOT 18+, so people under that age might feel uncomfortable seeing literal lions mating, and the people around them in public might feel even moreso. I'll add that to the original post!



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2020-03-05 02:36:10
Yeah xD I kinda imagine it'd be awkward for a lotta ppl in things like school/work if they wanted to use lioden n gore or whatever that may not be appropiate for the place pop up n they gotta be like oh ye is just a game is not normally like this i swear lol



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2020-03-11 19:28:02
I support. I personally dont have a problem, but do know some people that are upset that they have to give up the event to not be seeing the gore, and that makes me kinda sad.



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2020-03-12 11:58:13
No support, but simply because I'd really prefer a wholesale hide explore images function.

We can hide kings decor if we hate it, or turn off custom decors, or even hide pregnancy. Explore images should be able to be toggled off. For way more reasons than just personal taste (like I'm frequently in a place where images just won't load right).

But individual images? Really not sure.

I hate every image of Apedemak because of personal issues. Seeing him makes me sick inside. I don't even participate in July's event anymore because of people referencing him in their name, and dread logging on for weeks afterward because people leave those references.

None of that stuff is technically NSFW, I just have personal problems. In my case, toggling off NSFW images wouldn't help.

Yeah, the rhino with it's face missing is sad, but it doesn't affect me like that lion.

Personal hangups are way too personal.



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Edited on 12/03/20 @ 12:00:09 by Bezthiel (#81210)

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2020-03-12 18:45:35
@Bezthiel That can certainly be an option! A full toggle ability for images is one of the solutions another player mentioned I believe. Also, you understand the most how this could be totally beneficial to other players, even though it doesn't work for you. Isn't that more of a reason to support it?



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2020-03-12 18:49:23
support theres so much argument in the post but its so simple like.. some people just dont want to see gore. gore spooky. gore triggering. i see no downsides to this but only upsides



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2020-03-12 19:30:05
I do see how it could be helpful for other players, sure. But, given the choice of where I think time should be spent, sorry, but I gotta think about myself too. So if a broader toggle would help more people, I just don't think a per-image or even nsfw one should be bothered with.



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