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2020-03-04 20:56:58
WHEW. So. How about that news post?

For those uninformed, Lioden has officially stated that they're going to start rolling out more self-censorship features. This means that we, as players, can expect in the sometime future for there to be a feature that hides NSFW or gore images, and then some.

I don't know if this is due to our efforts on this topic or not, but either way, it's a HUGE win for everyone here. Thank you all so much for your support!

As with every other edit, I'm leaving the rest of this post the same. But as of right now, I think we can officially consider this a success! <3


EDIT: I'm putting this at the beginning because it's important. The event is over but this is STILL a problem that persists in the game. I implore you to not ignore this for the next year until more people have to go through this again. Thank you. Edit over.

Hi all! I realize this was posted about a year ago, and was met with a very split responses. So I'm here to also post! I please ask that you read the whole post before supporting or not supporting.

So, as the title says, this suggestion is to hide gore or bloody images for players who are sensitive to that sort of thing! Everyone pretty much gets the gist of what this is, as I have seen old topics like it. But I figure some people might have questions, so I'm prepared to answer those! Let's start with a bit of FAQ.

Q: This game is 16+, and should have gore/blood (and other adult themes) in it, as that's how lions work.

A: Sure! This game is 16+, but that doesn't mean everyone 16 or over wants to see a fairly realistic drawing of an elephant with its face torn off. Not seeing blood/gore wouldn't ruin an integral part of this game, such as taking away breeding, another 16+ topic. As for the "that's how lions work" part, well, this game isn't *really* that realistic, now is it? We literally have an event based around the apocalypse. We have green and blue and pink lions. We meet a manticore and fight with heaven and hell.

Q: Why not just disable the whole event?

A: Why should someone have to cease from playing the game because of something that can easily be avoided? Events are such an important part of this game and community, and to force someone not to be a part of it because they're sensitive to seeing images that depict terrible things isn't a good way to handle this. If someone wants to still participate, they should be able to! Also, the March event in particular also helps to raise funds for anti-poaching organizations. To force players to hide the event could negatively impact funds raised.

Q: Why can't you just use adblock and block the images that way?

A: First off, that would require having to look at the images first in order to get the image url to block them. Secondly, that doesn't work on mobile, which a LOT of players use primarily! Having a toggle would be much better suited for mobile players.

Q: Yeah, but I want to see gore.

A: You can! The idea I have in mind is a toggle that appears on a users page in the same area you would change your password. There, you can use a toggle to disable gorey images. Maybe in the future, if enough support is gained, there can be support for the sexually explicit images of lions in the February event.

Q: But there's so much other triggering stuff besides the event! How are you gonna hide that?

A: Simply put, you don't need to. If you don't want to interact with bloody looking lions, you don't have to. However, in order to enjoy the game to its fullest, you DO have to play the events. There is literally never a point in time on this site that there isn't an event going on.

Q: What would the images be instead?

A: Depends on what's easiest to do! It could be a blurred image instead, or the image could simply not load in, or it could just be replaced by a generic "BLOCKED" sign or something of the sort. It could also be an option to hide ALL event images while still keeping the event text up. Honestly, anything to make people more comfortable would work!

Q: Why should the devs waste time on this?

A: Well, because the players are important! Without them, there would be no game, and no matter how small the minority who NEED this are, the people who want it are probably a larger group in total. I'm uncomfortable with seeing this stuff, sure, but I'm not having a panic attack upon seeing this and being forced out of playing the whole game for a month because I physically cannot stand seeing it, like others are. I see no reason why people should be excluded from the fun of this game because of things that are out of their control, and I'd hope that the devs can see that too.


These are just some frequently asked questions I noticed on other similar boards I thought I'd take care of, but if anyone else has questions, please feel free to ask those! I'm very willing to talk to anyone who's interested in supporting, or anyone who is wary about supporting.

:::EDIT:::

Bezthiel made an absolutely excellent point, that I'm going to quote here:

"If the ToS says:
6.1
You are bound by, and must comply with, our Code of Conduct.

6.2
You also agree that you will not in connection with the Game:
breach any applicable law, regulation or code of conduct;
publish or send any Content (including links or references to other content), or otherwise behave in a manner, which:
is defamatory, threatening, harassing, invasive of privacy, offensive, vulgar, racist, hateful, discriminatory, obscene, pornographic, sexually suggestive, misleading, abusive or deceptive or which attacks sexual orientation, promotes self-harm or eating disorders, involves murder, rape, suicide, terrorism, excessive gore or hacking;

Then these are things that I can reasonably assume are not mentioned in site context.

Yet rape, suicide, and gore certainly are. We should either be warned or be able to opt out.

And before anyone says "but the newspost!" The 'excuse us for being blunt' is not the same as 'you will be shown pictures of horribly tortured, maimed, animals'. A warning is blunt."

A few suggestions have been made about the overall functioning of the system! In general, it seems a lot of people enjoy the idea of just disabling explore images in general. This is a simple solution and could work wonders for everyone.

On the other side of the spectrum, we have suggestions where players could pick and choose which images to disable, whether that be by a category (NSFW images) or by looking at a list of image descriptions and disabling them that way.

To reflect these options, I've changed the name of the topic from "Hiding Gore for Players" to "Hiding Triggering Images for Players" as we've come to the conclusion that it isn't just gore that's the problem.



This suggestion has 257 supports and 75 NO supports.



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Edited on 08/05/20 @ 12:11:20 by clay {CLEAN Solaris!} (#128553)

Zambz (#2687)

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Posted on
2020-04-25 07:49:41
TBH I kinda really like the idea to toggle images for each events lol. It's super simple and easy to do without being too cluttered imo. Explore n don't like images or not a place u think would like them? poof toggle it off here yay

also Reddit blurs all NSFW stuff [gore and sexual alike i believe?] until u toggle it so IMO it can't be that hard for Lioden to one day hopefully add a little toggle too? owo



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Edited on 25/04/20 @ 07:50:12 by Zambz (#2687)

Mots - RP Loved🏒 (#5378)

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2020-04-25 07:59:46
I still stick with my no support.

Granted I'm an adult, so I'm not phased by much. I won't get into a fire fight or anything, I'm already disliked by some of the older players and I want to try and not sound so much of a b word in front of the newer ones.

I'll just say the jist of February is the mating part, and no it doesn't show anything. So if it shows nothing, I don't see it as gross. Mating is part of passing on the genes to the next generation. I think the images are done tastefully, Lioden doesn't show the parts on animals anyway. Wolvden won't either. I know some religious sects are against anything like that, but again I won't get into it.

March drives home poaching and the images are supposed to make you feel a strong reaction. Some is unsettling for me, but I have seen far worse with the poaching imagery. If stuff like that bothers do, don't google shark finning. Which is still something I wish they would touch on... the non cuddly animals need respect and awareness too.

And what about the whole July event or October with rabies, heaven and hell? Those aren't that great either. But I don't see people up in arms with them as much as with February and March.



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Zambz (#2687)

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2020-04-25 08:13:30
I'm pretty sure there's actually a whole suggestion to fix or whatever the july event actually owo/

rabies and heaven/hell is also not as graphic I don't think. Besides the zombie decor and a few explore things? But those you don't have nearly as much stuff such as the febuary or whenever the poaching event is idk cuz I don't play that one cuz i find it boring story wise lol. Plus if this is added u can block those images too so it's a win/win tht way i think lol

Might be wrong but I assume that's why people aren't as bothered by them?



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Edited on 25/04/20 @ 08:14:06 by Zambz (#2687)

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2020-04-25 09:50:56
@Mots the main thing is though, while it might not be triggering for you, there are multiple others that are triggered by some of the images. If a way to hide the gore was implemented, then you can just not use it. But you're stopping others from having a more enjoyable (and safe, tbh) experience on Lioden. Not everyone feels like you do.

On a side note, it honestly confuses me how people are against simply creating another option that is *optional*. Not everybody's the same, and it just appears selfish to make everyone conform to their own idea on how Lioden should be played and viewed.



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🐢Eggplant🐢 (#173154)

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2020-04-25 10:06:00
@Mots some images may not be triggering for you, but they certainly are for me and many other players. If this were to be implemented, it would be, like Creek said, completely optional. You wouldn't be forced to use it. I have to agree, it *does* seem just a tad bit selfish.

I do enjoy Dier's idea of individually toggling images on and off. Maybe it could be expanded towards not just event images, but also different decor items.

Edit: it was Dier's idea, whoops lol



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Edited on 06/05/20 @ 06:47:15 by 🐢Eggplant🐢 (#173154)

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2020-04-25 10:38:37
Think that was my idea, but oh well, I think it all got lost Toggling off decor items is a good option too, but I think that would be a huge amount of work for the mods compared to the explore system and would probably be best to try out individual toggles for the explore system first.



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🐢Eggplant🐢 (#173154)

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2020-04-25 11:57:15
That's been changed, sorry about that! I'm a little tired today, lol

You've got a good point there! I do think anything to this extent would be quite a bit of work, but it's better to start out with the larger, more impacting things than combine all the options we have in one go. That would definitely be overwhelming.



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Sharturnet46 (#200051)

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2020-05-06 03:00:44
No support. Just don't look.



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Zambz (#2687)

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2020-05-06 03:24:37
that's what the suggestion is about tho, not looking at the art? xD



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🐢Eggplant🐢 (#173154)

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2020-05-06 06:14:26
Shaturnet, that makes no sense lmao. You can't really just "not look" at those images because they're right there in an enormous portion of the center of the screen. There needs to be some kind of toggle to *prevent* being able to look. That's the whole point of this suggestion.



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2020-05-06 06:15:06
You are defeating the purpose of events. No support. I personally dislike the Satanic decor I've seen. But, I don't think it needs to be hidden.



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2020-05-06 06:19:33
YOU may not need it to be hidden, but others do. There are people who get severely triggered by certain images - including myself - and it would be unfair to force them to not participate in the events just because they get physically ill or potentially receive painful flashbacks because of an image. Adding a way to toggle images off and on would allow these people to join the events without any physical or mental repercussions. Nothing about this is "defeating the purpose of events" - it's simply allowing certain people to easily participate in a pretty big part of Lioden.



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Edited on 06/05/20 @ 06:20:20 by 🐢Eggplant🐢 (#173154)

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2020-05-06 07:59:43
@sharturnet i've seen you on at least 2 different threads now stating the same argument against similar suggestions. forgive me if i've interpreted your actions incorrectly, but it seems like you're just trying to make fun of people for being unsettled by images, more than actually contributing your opinion in the hopes of making a constructive change. I suggest that you find a better use of your time, if that is the case

if, however, you simply don't understand that your phrasing is easily interpreted as dismissive and unkind, then this is just a friendly reminder to read over what you say before you post it— the goal of everyone should be to leave a place better than it was when they arrived, and one way to do that is to make suggestions in a way that won't offend anyone ^^

im glad that you can look at the things that bother you without getting greatly upset, but let's use your suggestion: if this toggle included satanic decor, it wouldn't hide satanic decor for everyone, it would just give you the option to hide it for yourself! that way, no one gets their favorite decor taken away (people won't even know that you can't see it unless you tell them!) and players no longer have to be disturbed by inappropriate images. it has no negative affect at all— if you don't like the toggle, you don't have to use it! you don't even have to acknowledge its existence



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Sharturnet46 (#200051)

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2020-05-06 08:07:26
I'm pretty active on chat, so if you are seeing me on whatever particular thread, it must be because you are there. I have never once made fun of anybody! I'm a bit insulted that you insinuated that. I'm simply against making everything everywhere a safe space. This would be a lot of extra coding with little to no pay off. I'm sorry, I don't support making sure nobody ever has to look at anything that is ever uncomfortable for them, banning certain words, language, etc and I'm saying this as nicely as I can, as this site if 16+ and most people on here are adults and we all live in the real world.



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2020-05-06 08:11:26
yes... i am on the threads that is indeed why I have seen you haha

i don't see why anyone would oppose a safe space... why would you not want people to feel safe? im genuinely asking, please explain. i would understand if you don't want the whole site to be sunshine and rainbows, but you can keep the site as gorey and sexually-explicit and vulgar as you wish while someone else who doesn't want to see things like that in their free time can still play a game they enjoy and relax? do you have an issue with the idea of a "soft-hearted person" being able to enjoy themselves because you think they're too weak to deserve it?

that, at least, is the only reason i could deduce on my own, but i urge you to please correct me if i am wrong, as i hope i am



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