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ratthew {G2 Torn
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2020-03-04 20:56:58
WHEW. So. How about that news post?

For those uninformed, Lioden has officially stated that they're going to start rolling out more self-censorship features. This means that we, as players, can expect in the sometime future for there to be a feature that hides NSFW or gore images, and then some.

I don't know if this is due to our efforts on this topic or not, but either way, it's a HUGE win for everyone here. Thank you all so much for your support!

As with every other edit, I'm leaving the rest of this post the same. But as of right now, I think we can officially consider this a success! <3


EDIT: I'm putting this at the beginning because it's important. The event is over but this is STILL a problem that persists in the game. I implore you to not ignore this for the next year until more people have to go through this again. Thank you. Edit over.

Hi all! I realize this was posted about a year ago, and was met with a very split responses. So I'm here to also post! I please ask that you read the whole post before supporting or not supporting.

So, as the title says, this suggestion is to hide gore or bloody images for players who are sensitive to that sort of thing! Everyone pretty much gets the gist of what this is, as I have seen old topics like it. But I figure some people might have questions, so I'm prepared to answer those! Let's start with a bit of FAQ.

Q: This game is 16+, and should have gore/blood (and other adult themes) in it, as that's how lions work.

A: Sure! This game is 16+, but that doesn't mean everyone 16 or over wants to see a fairly realistic drawing of an elephant with its face torn off. Not seeing blood/gore wouldn't ruin an integral part of this game, such as taking away breeding, another 16+ topic. As for the "that's how lions work" part, well, this game isn't *really* that realistic, now is it? We literally have an event based around the apocalypse. We have green and blue and pink lions. We meet a manticore and fight with heaven and hell.

Q: Why not just disable the whole event?

A: Why should someone have to cease from playing the game because of something that can easily be avoided? Events are such an important part of this game and community, and to force someone not to be a part of it because they're sensitive to seeing images that depict terrible things isn't a good way to handle this. If someone wants to still participate, they should be able to! Also, the March event in particular also helps to raise funds for anti-poaching organizations. To force players to hide the event could negatively impact funds raised.

Q: Why can't you just use adblock and block the images that way?

A: First off, that would require having to look at the images first in order to get the image url to block them. Secondly, that doesn't work on mobile, which a LOT of players use primarily! Having a toggle would be much better suited for mobile players.

Q: Yeah, but I want to see gore.

A: You can! The idea I have in mind is a toggle that appears on a users page in the same area you would change your password. There, you can use a toggle to disable gorey images. Maybe in the future, if enough support is gained, there can be support for the sexually explicit images of lions in the February event.

Q: But there's so much other triggering stuff besides the event! How are you gonna hide that?

A: Simply put, you don't need to. If you don't want to interact with bloody looking lions, you don't have to. However, in order to enjoy the game to its fullest, you DO have to play the events. There is literally never a point in time on this site that there isn't an event going on.

Q: What would the images be instead?

A: Depends on what's easiest to do! It could be a blurred image instead, or the image could simply not load in, or it could just be replaced by a generic "BLOCKED" sign or something of the sort. It could also be an option to hide ALL event images while still keeping the event text up. Honestly, anything to make people more comfortable would work!

Q: Why should the devs waste time on this?

A: Well, because the players are important! Without them, there would be no game, and no matter how small the minority who NEED this are, the people who want it are probably a larger group in total. I'm uncomfortable with seeing this stuff, sure, but I'm not having a panic attack upon seeing this and being forced out of playing the whole game for a month because I physically cannot stand seeing it, like others are. I see no reason why people should be excluded from the fun of this game because of things that are out of their control, and I'd hope that the devs can see that too.


These are just some frequently asked questions I noticed on other similar boards I thought I'd take care of, but if anyone else has questions, please feel free to ask those! I'm very willing to talk to anyone who's interested in supporting, or anyone who is wary about supporting.

:::EDIT:::

Bezthiel made an absolutely excellent point, that I'm going to quote here:

"If the ToS says:
6.1
You are bound by, and must comply with, our Code of Conduct.

6.2
You also agree that you will not in connection with the Game:
breach any applicable law, regulation or code of conduct;
publish or send any Content (including links or references to other content), or otherwise behave in a manner, which:
is defamatory, threatening, harassing, invasive of privacy, offensive, vulgar, racist, hateful, discriminatory, obscene, pornographic, sexually suggestive, misleading, abusive or deceptive or which attacks sexual orientation, promotes self-harm or eating disorders, involves murder, rape, suicide, terrorism, excessive gore or hacking;

Then these are things that I can reasonably assume are not mentioned in site context.

Yet rape, suicide, and gore certainly are. We should either be warned or be able to opt out.

And before anyone says "but the newspost!" The 'excuse us for being blunt' is not the same as 'you will be shown pictures of horribly tortured, maimed, animals'. A warning is blunt."

A few suggestions have been made about the overall functioning of the system! In general, it seems a lot of people enjoy the idea of just disabling explore images in general. This is a simple solution and could work wonders for everyone.

On the other side of the spectrum, we have suggestions where players could pick and choose which images to disable, whether that be by a category (NSFW images) or by looking at a list of image descriptions and disabling them that way.

To reflect these options, I've changed the name of the topic from "Hiding Gore for Players" to "Hiding Triggering Images for Players" as we've come to the conclusion that it isn't just gore that's the problem.



This suggestion has 257 supports and 75 NO supports.



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Edited on 08/05/20 @ 12:11:20 by clay {CLEAN Solaris!} (#128553)

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2020-03-12 21:56:06
I support it in many more ways then one, but I do see where your coming I think we should do a mixture of toggle off images of gore and nsfw images and maybe from player den and the event page maybe?



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2020-03-24 23:18:16
I 1000000% agree. Personally, I don't like seeing gore and the thought of blood makes me wanna puke-



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2020-03-24 23:23:53
I totally agree with this post 100%! I said something to myself today about the elephant with its face torn off it was very upsetting and a trigger for me and i have ocd surrounding that type of stuff so it doesnt help. But i really hope lioden makes this a thing bc it would be MUCHH appreciated. :)



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2020-03-24 23:34:09
Don't really have a problem with this. Im desensitized enough to not get affected by an art of an elephant with its face torn off. If it benefits some players here then why not?

Edit: if its an optional button then im fine with it but if it censors all then we have a problem.



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Edited on 26/03/20 @ 20:59:36 by Leo ferus (#172378)

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2020-03-25 01:58:55
I don't have a problem, but others do. It's not even like with this you're forced to not look at gore anymore, it's only a toggle for people who do not want to see it. Just because you want to see the stuff and think the NSFW isn't that bad, for some players it is though and they can become uncomfortable.

It would be very unwise to decide to not support without reading the whole QnA section as well as I have been reading some people in this forum are talking about things mentioned that give them a simple answer to what they're arguing about?? I don't mean this for everyone though and I'm not saying " Lol ur opinion is wrong, " but I mean,, at least give this idea a chance please? Even if you're alright with all this stuff, because there are other people who get uncomfy about it.


Sorry this is so long haha,, I just really hope this gets added for the people who need it <B(



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2020-03-26 20:48:43
Support, don't see why some are so against the idea of other people having the option to disable something that is genuinely disturbing. You don't want to? Cool. Some people want to block it, but are unable to, or unable to figure it out ( Not everyone uses ad blockers too ) . Just because YOU don't mind seeing it or don't mind going through what I imagine is an extremely long process of blocking each and every single image, which there are many, doesn't mean everyone is fine with it.



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2020-03-26 20:48:54
if there is a button for it i feel like that would block it so its only blocked for people who want it to be, like den css. that be ok. but if people dont like the event which is basically gore to bring attention to people that this is how it is with black market stuff. Its Gore but it helps to get people to realize more that this is whats going on in our world today..

and me and a few of my friends kinda like the gore. it brings a realistic theme to the game. and sure its not totally realistic but if it where 100% realistic it would be kinda boring. And aside from quests and the few colorful bases. the game is pretty realistic.

I just dont think cutting everyone off from the gore because some people dont like it is not fair. I understand its a important event to play in for fund raising and apps and stuff and that some people might not want to stop playing for a month. but if it bugs them that much then they could just not play for the month. Or they could stay away from explore.

but i do like the idea. IF there was a button down in the account options area to put as you said blurring over it for people who want it, that way people who dont want it dont need to have it. because like you said its 16+ game so there dont NEED to be filters.

(sorry if this comes off as aggressive or rude, i dont tend to be the best at explaining)



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2020-03-26 21:51:10
@😊alex😊 What you described is exactly the plan we have in mind! A button that for users can disable 'not safe for work' content, not just limited to gore, but also to the sexual aspects of the February event. As you said, to cut everyone off from it would be entirely unfair, just as unfair as having to force someone to not play the game they enjoy to play just because they suffer from panic attacks upon seeing gore.



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2020-03-27 06:14:53
ok! just wanted to make sure! i am supporting now!



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2020-03-27 19:53:04
Definately support. I may not have an extremely negative reaction but for me personally this is still very heartwrenching. But as someone who has loved ones with PTSD and severe chronic mental disabilities/illnesses- I support this %150.

Also I like to play Lioden at work as I have a slow desk job and grinding explore is easy on my breaks and would like a NSFW filter for February please XD I want my breeding items but really dont want my boss SEEING breeding on my screen hahaha Anything to make the community more inclusive <3

We are already such a wonderfully flexible community as is <3



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2020-03-28 19:51:46
No support, we're already able to do this and if you want to participate in the event then you just have to deal with the imagery. It kinda makes no sense to partake in an event about poaching and cherry picking what you want to see.



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2020-03-28 19:59:10
@Ruby i agree, if you dont want to see Gore dont participate in a gorey event



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2020-03-28 20:11:02
@Ruby Fox @Don't Worry There's a very great difference between "just having to deal with it," like most people are able to, and "physically cannot look at this without having a panic attack." Just because neither you nor I have panic attacks when we see these things doesn't mean that's not how it is for others, and also doesn't mean those people should have to miss out on a very important part of the game. They're missing out on decor, bases, markings and manes because they physically can't deal with the imagery. This could easily be applicable to the February event as well, where there are depictions of sexual acts that people can be incredibly triggered by. To be able to simply not have to see these images, can help so many people.



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Edited on 28/03/20 @ 20:11:22 by clay {CLEAN Fuchsia Dwarf} (#128553)

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2020-03-28 23:25:21
@ Clay- Then they should save items up to trade for those event items/apps/ decors. As stated before they already have an option in place for those that don't want to see the events images. If you're just gonna block the art and still get event currency, then there is no point in having an event to begin with.



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2020-03-28 23:36:01
@Ruby Fox There is more to this event than just looking at images of animals being gored. I can respect if someone is completely triggered by the event as a whole, including the text and the overall message, but someone can still want to support everything this event stands for and not be able to see gore. There isn't an option for those who don't want to see the event images, there's an option for those who don't want to be included in the event, text, games, currency and all. Not seeing the art doesn't affect the enjoyment of the event, and someone else hiding art on their account doesn't affect your enjoyment of the event either.



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