Posted by Adult Sex Changer Adjustment [1,000+ Supports!]

{Shamhna} 🎃 [S] (#9102)

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2020-03-05 23:40:32

Small Adult Sex Changer AdjustmentPlease dont be just Cynics & Critics, be Helpful! 😅

While I have looked into similar post on the matter, I didn't really find anything that is like what I'd be suggesting. If there is a post that is similar, do let me know so that I can make the decision to delete this or attempt to keep it up.
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Welcome To My Seminar!
So as we all know the Sex Changers seem pretty simple and easy to use, but there is one thing that bugs me about one of them. Before we get into that let's review these two particular items:
Cub Sex Changer - Use this item on a cub or adolescent between 0 to 23 months of age to change its sex. If the cub or adolescent has a sex-specific mutation, it will be permanently wiped.

Adult Sex Changer - Use this item on an adult lion between 24-36 months of age to change its sex. Must not have bred, hunted, or patrolled. Mutated lions and lions without heritage cannot be sex changed.


I'm sure that this is aggravating to someone of you as well, let's review the last sentence of the Adult Sex Changer: Mutated lions and lions without heritage cannot be sex changed.

Read it again minus one thing: Mutated lions and lions without heritage cannot be sex changed.
Why all Mutations? Why not just restrict the gender specific ones like Smilus or Mane Mutations? Why must all Mutations be restricted to only being Sex Change-able at 0 months to 1 year, 11 months?

What Am I Suggesting?
My Suggestion is to allow the Sex Changing of the non gender specific mutations to be like any other lion, at 2-3 years old with the same rules stated in the items description.
Example Text:
Adult Sex Changer - Use this item on an adult lion between 24-36 months (2-3 years) of age to change its sex. This includes any nonsex-specific mutations. Must not have bred, hunted, or patrolled. Lions without heritage cannot be sex changed.

This would be a relatively small change to allow Mutations that affect both genders like Achromia, Blind, Bobbed Tail, Clawless, Dwarfism, Eyeless, Felis, Folded Ears, Melanism, Primal, Polycaudal, Tailless, Toothless, Overgrown Claws, Overgrown Teeth as well as all Piebalds and Patches to be Sex Changed at 0 months and up to 3 years of age as long as that lion has not been bred, hunted, or patrolled at any time. Sex-specific mutations would not be able to have their sex changed with this adjustment.

Why Am I Making This Suggestion?
Because I often have real life things to attend to and I often forget when mutated lions can be sex changed. I've had to sale/kill/chase/nature preserve very beautiful males that I wanted to keep and change to female but couldn't because of real life and by the time I get the chance/GB to sex change them - it's too late. I'm saying this because I know that someone is bound to say "Just change them when they are Cubs like I do."
Well, there's a problem or two with that. One problem with that statement is that some users my not have that 1 GB to buy the Sex Changer and it takes time to obtain just 1 GB, especially for new users who are still learning the ropes.
Problem Two, real life gets crazy! People have families, kids, pets, jobs that are more of a priority then a game. This means that is very easy to forget teeny tiny details like that which can result in reluctantly getting rid of a Mutie that is no longer of age to be sex changed or to have it just sit and wither away in a users den. I myself have this gorgeous boy that I wanted to sex change and keep, now he'll just wither away as I don't have a use for him and I love him too much to get rid of him. Well, what happened? Real life, my family's small house has a total of six people (including my daughter and I) plus three loving cats living under the same roof. This means that I often get too busy to sit and remember absolutely everything that I need to do on the game. I'm certain that others have just as, if not even more so of a busy life than I do.

Conclusion
I bet that this seems like a very simple suggestion, but I understand that it's easier said than done. It will take time and consideration to see if it is possible to make this adjustment. But just imagine the possibilities! Everyone would have more time to sex change the pretty lions that they adore and wish to keep at all costs! Imagine being able to sex change your beautiful lions at 3 years old rather than the short time span of 1 year, 11 months old! No more lions wasting away due to short sex changing age restrictions! 🎉🎉
Go click that Support button and Lioden a much cooler place!


🙆‍♀️ Thank you to all who stopped by to check this out and to those that know the struggle and clicked "Support"!

🙅‍♀️ If you do not support this idea then please explain why and toss in some helpful info that could help make this possible. Please don't just hate the idea because you personally don't like it or personally don't see a use for it as others could greatly benefit from this.

👁 Do you have a sharp eye and see something that should be added or changed? Let me know! I'll toss your added idea/suggestion right here on the main post for all to see!

🎆 Thank you and good night! 🎆




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• cyn·i·cal (adjective) 2. concerned only with one's own interests and typically disregarding accepted or appropriate standards in order to achieve them.
• cyn·ic (noun) 1. a person who believes that people are motivated purely by self-interest rather than acting for honorable or unselfish reasons.

• crit·i·cal (adjective) 1. expressing adverse or disapproving comments or judgments.
• crit·ic (noun) 1. a person who expresses an unfavorable opinion of something.

• help·ful (adjective) giving or ready to give help.
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Edited on 28/04/23 @ 03:05:15 by {Shamhna, T.P.Q}🎃[M] (#5131)

{Shamhna} 🎃 [S] (#9102)

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Posted on
2020-04-24 21:06:49
sonder ☆ DONT PING (#179885) - Well, I mean, it could change. The Mods and Admins do seem to make tweaks to some suggestions, who's to say that they wouldn't take that into consideration and make a change on this...?
The value of Overgrown Mutations seems to be pretty low anyways, just like Piebalds and other common Mutations. So I can kinda see those going either way, up or down - rarer ones I can see raising a little in value. But I guess that still dont really see how any of that would be bad. I could see that more Mutations and Sex Changers would be bought/sold, which would be a good thing?
And it's not that checking a lions age is the problem, the problem is that most mutations sit in the TC - even after aging up or they arent put up for sale until they are adults. Most buyers or would be buyers wouldn't have the option or opportunity to sex change them, so not many users would have a use for them.

^^; I have a fairly chaotic life, so my attention and thoughts are pretty divided. Perhaps that's why I'm failing to see all of the negativity around this. Yes, I understand that values would change and how more common ones wouldnt be that popular or [possibly] not sell very well. But I guess that I don't see how we wouldn't benefit from this in some way.



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timbergray (#180986)

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Posted on
2020-04-24 21:19:54
-shrug- Okay, so maybe I don't understand the market as well as others. But I'm still not sure how letting adults with mutations be sex-changable the same as cubs is that much of a game-changer when it can already be done to cubs.

I can see the AMP market being impacted. I can't say it would inherently be a negative change. If people know they can sex-change a young adult if they don't prefer the mutation in the other gender, they might pay more for AMP cubs/adols. I can't say it would inherently be a positive change either.

As for primals - There are only so many kings available in the game as it is. I'd think if a person wanted a primal king, they'd find a way to get it without necessarily having to sex-change an adult female. Such as sex-changing a cub. Or buying one as an heir that is already male. I think the actual number of female primals that would be purchased as adults with the intention of being kinged would be fairly low as the female would already have to have been valuable for their markings/bases on top of the mutation to be worth the effort. I doubt you'll see an increase in primal kings just because adult females under the age of 3 years could suddenly be sex-changed in addition to the cubs/adols that can already be sex-changed. More than likely, you'll see basically the same number of people who want their kings to be primals as you did before, which means basically the same number of primal studs. Which should translate to approximately the same general mutation market saturation rate for primals.



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Bezthiel 🍉 (#81210)

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Posted on
2020-04-24 22:07:43
"additionally, what about AMPs? og claws + teeth? those are adult only muts, and having them be sex changeable would bring down the price of them."

There are 7 OG claws/teeth lions over 2, for sale. Combined. All of them are less than 5GB. TBH... there's not much lower for that market to go. 4 of them are male and they cost less than 1GB. Only the femles cost more. You can only own so many males to stand around and look pretty, after all.

Personally, I'd buy the 2y6m clean boy... if I could sex change him. But I can't, so he's worthless. The sellers pretty much agree.



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Edited on 24/04/20 @ 22:08:04 by Bezthiel (#81210)

Soular[Main] (#169369)

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Posted on
2020-04-30 20:05:07
This argument is just silly. Abbey has already said that there will be a universal sex changer that can sex change adult mutties in wolvden. With that being said why is such a thing on here so "game breaking" if even Lioden owners disagree with that statrment



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Jay (#187650)

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2020-05-10 23:16:47
Maybe mutated lion are only sex changeable as cubs because that's when they're still developing and growing up? I still support though.



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#MzKrazyPouita (#50299)

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2020-06-18 19:24:32
Ugh i literally had this problem when saving my ASC for one of my female lions that I planned on making my heir
I was careful to never hunt her and when it was time, turns out NOPE
She could not be sex changed
And I didn't realize AFTER I customized her with the good markings I saved
she was gonna be perfect!

I mean sure, she's pretty
https://www.lioden.com/lion.php?id=794136129648

My dumb butt just thought that the sex changer would work fine until i misread it

I still don't understand why all mutations are affected which is pretty unfair
Unless it's a mane mutation for the females, sure that's understandable, but why all of them?

100% support this



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maddie [SPARE] (#196329)

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Posted on
2020-06-19 15:14:34
Supported. I feel like this should've been a thing from the get go, as it doesn't make sense, to me, to not have the option to sex change an adult like you can with a cub/adolescent. With AMP's, i understand it could not be possible with some (mane muties for the girls for example), but for the latter i just don't know why the option is restricted.
I see so much creativity absolutely restricted because you cant sex change an adult like you can a cub/adol, and its a huge bummer.



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🌑 Shadow [1.3k g1
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Posted on
2020-06-20 00:11:02
I think lions without heritage should be able to be sex changed



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Moose of Nature (#110955)

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Posted on
2020-07-18 11:01:36
Full support.
When i was looking for new kings, i was finding some REALLY nice females with pies and patches that honestly, i wouldve LOVED to have used. But they were 2yr+ and i couldnt sex change them.
Ive had cubs that i wanna sex change, only to not have the GB to do so..and its unbelievably hard to get GB from selling stuff anymore...especially if youre not doin the clean breeder challenge.
The first time i got GB, i had to buy it, and not everyone can do that.
Theres groups on FB and Discord that include a lot of newer players, and the amount of them trying to sex change adult muties..it hurts to seem them so upset when they realize they cant. They got the perfect heir, just to turn around and have to toss it, after spending a lot of time and effort on them.



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#MzKrazyPouita (#50299)

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Posted on
2020-07-27 18:44:49
The more I make impulse buy especially for heirs, the more I really wish this whole topic can get more support
And also it would help a lot to not worry about getting rid of mutie cubs just cuz they're the wrong gender



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🏳️‍🌈 Vel (#183053)

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2020-07-31 00:00:23
Yeah this really needs to be added. It’s so dumb that you can’t sex change the adults but you can sex change the cubs, like what?



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The Empty Kingdom (#152275)

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Posted on
2020-08-02 14:45:51
Support, this drawback to having a mutie is completely arbitrary, unnecessary and just a bit petty at this point.



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IndianaSolo221 (#119442)


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Posted on
2020-08-19 12:56:08
I saw this post a while back and didn't Support/No Support because I really had no feelings about it. However, the longer I play Lioden the more I think that it this strange restriction doesn't make sense.

A while ago, before I found the King I have now, I was looking for a Felis in trades and in Chatter because I didn't have time to breed one. At the time, it was REALLY hard to find a Felis that matched my preferences and wasn't old. I had one player offer me a pretty female Felis FOR FREE that would've sufficed just fine, except-- oh wait, adult muties can't be sex changed. I returned the Felis with many thanks, and a reminder that I couldn't use this awesome Felis because it couldn't be sex changed.

All I'm saying is, it would be a lot easier for users to find heirs that fit their preferences if we were able to sex change adult muties. And I don't know, maybe that's the whole intent. Maybe "No Supporters" are worried about muties becoming too cheap/easy to obtain, but at this point, the restriction seems pointless. The only way I'd imagine keeping it that way is for sex-specific mutations and MAYBE dwarves/hybrids.

I support!



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Pomeranian (#219858)

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2020-10-28 03:28:13
I've always wondered why adult lions can't be sex-changed with mutations, but cubs could.



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Posted on
2020-11-21 02:45:25
I've just fallen victim to this issue - did up my heir planning to sex change her today, didn't realise I couldn't bc she's a mut. Now idk what to do.

Full support.



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