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2018-11-05 05:13:12
This thread began as a way to bring attention to the fact that the Golden color group is being neglected in favor of other, more prominent color groups, both because it gets fewer additions and because those additions are nothing like what you’d usually expect from the Golden color group – for example, Green, Labradorite, and the latest addition, Ember.

To start with hard facts: It has been almost a year since I first posted this, and here are all the new bases we got since December 2018:
  • Black Group: Aufeis, Elysian, Rhino, Glass, Velvet, Murk, Leonids, Demiurge, Augur, Noctis, Spectre, Frotbitten, Snowflake

  • Cream Group: Alabaster, Heavenly, Ammonite, Moss Agate, Guardian

  • Golden Group: Maziwa, Ornament, Ember, Angelic, Festive, Hyena, Nudar, Sunspot, Sahara, Victor

  • Red Group: Rough Ruby, Wine, Sha, Rose Gold, Scoundrel, Merlot, Hibiscus, Rhubarb


Final count of bases added from December 2018 - May 2020: 13 Black bases, 5 Cream bases, 10 Golden bases, 8 Red bases.

And the final count of all the bases currently in game? A total of 67 Black bases, 53 Cream bases, 58 Golden bases and 59 Red bases.



If you want a more updated version of this long explanation below, take a peek at the latest lament of a golden breeder here.

To me it feels highly unfair that there is this blatant neglection going on because either a) apparently Golden bases are hard to make, or b) players that prefer other color groups don’t like it and that’s why we get such “interesting” additions to spark interest. And of course, we don’t see Golden intruding in other color groups, to spark “interest” in those in exchange – not that I’d want that to happen, but it’s the principle of the thing.

I like Goldens. Well, I like the concept of Goldens as they were. Nacarat, Goldenrod, Doubloon, Sulphur, Sunshine, and Champagne, to name a few. So, what if other players find them bland or boring? You won’t see me complaining seriously about other groups’ additions because I think they are an eyesore, if they are liked by others, that’s absolutely fine. But we’ve been waiting years for nice Golden bases and, when we finally do, we keep getting these weird things that more often than not are hard to breed or come from a really hard to make applicator, on top of that.

Dhahabi was supposed to be our November’s applicator back in November 2017, to pair up with Penumbra and Fossil, as you can see here, but then, after a long anticipated wait, exclusive bases became a thing and we were left with no applicators for Golden bases except the regular custom ones until May 2018, with Trophy. This has happened again and again, with Labradorite being added on July 2018 to Goldens for some unfathomable reason – though I’d be hard pressed to pick a proper color group for its final design, to be honest –, Xanthic, ect.

Another thing that keeps happening is that all the applicable bases seem to be going to the Solid gradient. Up until Anubis and Bast, there wasn’t a single Golden Countershaded Special base one could apply, and when they were first introduced you could only get one of those per account, as a reward for completing the new June 2018’s storyline – and, in fact, keep being the only ones, as there are no Uncommon ones.

In the original post, I mentioned that, while there seemed to be events dedicated to other color groups, there wasn’t a single one dedicated to Golden: February with its Red bases, March starting with Cream and then getting one (1) Golden base (Chatoyant), May with the long road towards crafting the Trophy applicator and this year’s addition of Ornament, then June started with two (2) Golden bases and one (1) Red that could be used to breed for the Golden combo base Gilded, but 2019 got one (1) more Black with Velvet, one (1) more Red with Sha and one (1) Cream with Alabaster, and make up the factors to trigger the Rose Gold combo base, which is Red. July features mostly Blacks, with 9 Black bases against Sunset and Sunrise, which belong to the Red color group, Labradorite which was, sadly, added as a Golden, and then the Cream Heavenly -, August started with the stud exclusive Ruffian Cream base, and the hard to get Solaris Cream applicator, but also got the Scoundrel stud base this year, September has so far the Red applicable base Locust and the newest Black base, Augur, October has featured Red bases since the big Genetics overhaul, November started featuring only Creams and then got the addition of Black with Penumbra and Nuumite, and last we have December with – you guessed it – more Black bases. And what does Golden have? Hybrid bases and explore exclusive. Nice if you want a challenge, not so nice if you want to go on with your breeding projects customizing existing cubs.

To summarize that big block of information above, Black seems to be everywhere followed by Red, and then Cream and Golden are left forgotten in a corner to be recalled sporadically and, in the case of Golden, with the weirdest and/or hardest to get bases.

I understand people voted in the polls for Blacks to get additions first back in the day because there are a lot more breeders focused on the group as a whole or liked the bases better, but that doesn’t mean Golden isn’t loved by players and that it doesn’t deserve some attention for a change. There are some suggestions in the base and mane base forums that would look right at home with the more “classical” Goldens, and if everything else fails there is always the option to make other existing bases’ recolors, too.



This suggestion has 338 supports and 16 NO supports.



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Edited on 05/05/20 @ 07:36:40 by Berenos (#84593)

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Posted on
2018-11-05 08:06:19
Well, aside from me there's been another 3 players popping by that would want such a base, so... it's not that pointless :/



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2018-11-05 08:07:01
I have to disagree with the lack of love for gold bases. :o I mean, if there is a lack of love for them, it is because they don't receive enough attention. Most of my friends breed golds, I breed golds. Just because you or the people you know don't breed for golds doesn't mean they aren't used. Sure, blacks and reds are more "exciting" because of the fantasy/unrealistic aspects, but that is all up to personal opinion. I have to admit, I am a bit tired of blacks and reds getting all the "fun" or "eye-catching" colors added to them. Gold is subtle, classy, but a bit of variety would be good!

I would definitely stud to, breed for, and own cubs with new and excited gold bases of course! It is my favorite color group. :)



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Edited on 05/11/18 @ 08:08:57 by Cerberus 🍄 #Gaggle #B@H (#101344)

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2018-11-05 08:09:48
I find it increasingly frusterating that we are getting all these new colors (a friggin purple lion??? ) but we can't have some more natural applicable golden bases. Just throw a dog a bone and throw ONE new special decent looking applicable golden base out there for us natural breeders

I want to base change my king so that he has a special base, but Fossil is the only one light enough to make work with his looks and almost everyone that breeds natural has a fossil base bc we are so limited.



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Edited on 05/11/18 @ 08:10:27 by 🐾🌸D'hadowMarie🌸🐾 (#9600)

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2018-11-05 08:11:38
I never said they weren't used :/
I said of course there are some people who breed golds.

If you think there should be some more realistic golds you should make some suggestions w/ mockups for some.
You never know!

I personally hate golds and I stay away from them and creams.



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2018-11-05 08:12:55
That is fine, just pointing out that it wouldn't be pointless is all. :)



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Posted on
2018-11-05 08:14:23


There would be no market if nobody was interested in it.
But whatever.



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Bezthiel 🍉 (#81210)

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2018-11-05 08:14:48
But I would, so that's already not nobody.



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2018-11-05 08:15:56
@Glimmer

I would if I knew how to make them. I've supported every golden base that I liked for this, and then exclusive bases from explore happened. I can suggest any base I can miraculously pull off from paint but, at the end of the day, admins will introduce them however they see fit. This thread was born because what they saw fit and my own expectations didn't meet.

Edit: And it seems I'm not alone in this.



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Edited on 05/11/18 @ 08:16:47 by Berenos (#84593)

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2018-11-05 08:19:27
I mean the basis of some people not liking a group/groups is not an excuse to just not add any bases to that group/groups. It's as if I said I personally don't like the October bases so there should be no more bases for that month, which is ridiculous. I like most gold specials and I agree we need more applicable gold bases, otherwise we will never have balanced groups. Blacks and Reds get the most attention but that doesn't mean there aren't people who breed Golds and Creams



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2018-11-05 08:20:21
Some people are more than happy to make mockups for bases when they like the idea.



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2018-11-05 08:21:04
@Glimmer -

A few of us have pointed out that we would be interested in them so yes there would be a market for them and honestly if there were more bases to chose from perhaps other players would as well



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2018-11-05 08:23:12
There would be plenty of market in it. :o And even if there wasn't, bases aren't added because of their marketability. Even then... Mandarin, Kimanjano, Citrine, and Bast are all just a few of the very popular gold bases. :)

Opinions are always valued, and we do appreciate it! But don't think that it dictates the majority of Lioden's userbase. ^^



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2018-11-05 08:29:03
Tbh it's okay if you dont like Gold. It's okay if you want the bases you like to get more attention. That's exactly what Gold-lovers want to! When it comes to fairness, gold IS underrepresentated- it's right there.

Both my accs are colorbombs, but I've wanted a semi-natural king for years. Except I cant come up with a natural-ish design that does not require a breed-only base. It sucks :/

EDIT: Also. I dont like creams. Not one of them. The cream group could be removed and it wouldn't affect me in the slightest. Does that mean I think we shouldn't have cream bases? Ofc not, and some of them are even pretty. Just cause it's a less popular genetics group doesnt mean there aren't people who would find great value in it. Not everyone plays for profit *shrug*



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Edited on 05/11/18 @ 08:32:08 by ❄️ Icey ❄️ (#44765)

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2018-11-05 08:32:00


Im dying for some sort of event related golden countershaded base ... I dont care if it's light, medium, or dark . I just want a nice, at least semi natural looking, golden countershaded base that I can apply . Im even more frustrated that I cant have it with the new addition of Brimstone . Brimstone was so easy to get I literally got over 10 base apps for it and about 10 of the marking applicators and now, guess what, whenever I need a red medium countershaded base to change cubs to that I want to use for my sunset project, I have it . And it was SUPER easy to get .

Why cant we have this for goldens ? I dont even care if we start off with slightly different recolors of what is already there as long as they were easier to acquire . People would use it and I know they would . Okay so sure, maybe not the entire website would but who cares ? Not everyone uses the black, red, or cream, apps either and we have a heckton of all of those . I love the NCL exclusive golden bases but they are a pain to get to pass and because of that, there's rarely if ever any nice cubs with the bases for sale . Its gotten to the point where I just have a cave now for Asali and Dhahabi or however you spell it NCL because they wont friggen pass base for me and it's killing me because I want to use them for my project but they wont pass and what am I suppose to do ? Crunchy worm an NCL and have the same problem ? Just keep filling my den with these NCL and still have the same problem ?




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2018-11-05 08:34:38
Another gold breeder here. I would like to see the golden category get more love too! <3
There is also most certainly a market for goldens...



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