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Berenos|On hiatus (#84593)

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2018-11-05 05:13:12
This thread began as a way to bring attention to the fact that the Golden color group is being neglected in favor of other, more prominent color groups, both because it gets fewer additions and because those additions are nothing like what you’d usually expect from the Golden color group – for example, Green, Labradorite, and the latest addition, Ember.

To start with hard facts: It has been almost a year since I first posted this, and here are all the new bases we got since December 2018:
  • Black Group: Aufeis, Elysian, Rhino, Glass, Velvet, Murk, Leonids, Demiurge, Augur, Noctis, Spectre, Frotbitten, Snowflake

  • Cream Group: Alabaster, Heavenly, Ammonite, Moss Agate, Guardian

  • Golden Group: Maziwa, Ornament, Ember, Angelic, Festive, Hyena, Nudar, Sunspot, Sahara, Victor

  • Red Group: Rough Ruby, Wine, Sha, Rose Gold, Scoundrel, Merlot, Hibiscus, Rhubarb


Final count of bases added from December 2018 - May 2020: 13 Black bases, 5 Cream bases, 10 Golden bases, 8 Red bases.

And the final count of all the bases currently in game? A total of 67 Black bases, 53 Cream bases, 58 Golden bases and 59 Red bases.



If you want a more updated version of this long explanation below, take a peek at the latest lament of a golden breeder here.

To me it feels highly unfair that there is this blatant neglection going on because either a) apparently Golden bases are hard to make, or b) players that prefer other color groups don’t like it and that’s why we get such “interesting” additions to spark interest. And of course, we don’t see Golden intruding in other color groups, to spark “interest” in those in exchange – not that I’d want that to happen, but it’s the principle of the thing.

I like Goldens. Well, I like the concept of Goldens as they were. Nacarat, Goldenrod, Doubloon, Sulphur, Sunshine, and Champagne, to name a few. So, what if other players find them bland or boring? You won’t see me complaining seriously about other groups’ additions because I think they are an eyesore, if they are liked by others, that’s absolutely fine. But we’ve been waiting years for nice Golden bases and, when we finally do, we keep getting these weird things that more often than not are hard to breed or come from a really hard to make applicator, on top of that.

Dhahabi was supposed to be our November’s applicator back in November 2017, to pair up with Penumbra and Fossil, as you can see here, but then, after a long anticipated wait, exclusive bases became a thing and we were left with no applicators for Golden bases except the regular custom ones until May 2018, with Trophy. This has happened again and again, with Labradorite being added on July 2018 to Goldens for some unfathomable reason – though I’d be hard pressed to pick a proper color group for its final design, to be honest –, Xanthic, ect.

Another thing that keeps happening is that all the applicable bases seem to be going to the Solid gradient. Up until Anubis and Bast, there wasn’t a single Golden Countershaded Special base one could apply, and when they were first introduced you could only get one of those per account, as a reward for completing the new June 2018’s storyline – and, in fact, keep being the only ones, as there are no Uncommon ones.

In the original post, I mentioned that, while there seemed to be events dedicated to other color groups, there wasn’t a single one dedicated to Golden: February with its Red bases, March starting with Cream and then getting one (1) Golden base (Chatoyant), May with the long road towards crafting the Trophy applicator and this year’s addition of Ornament, then June started with two (2) Golden bases and one (1) Red that could be used to breed for the Golden combo base Gilded, but 2019 got one (1) more Black with Velvet, one (1) more Red with Sha and one (1) Cream with Alabaster, and make up the factors to trigger the Rose Gold combo base, which is Red. July features mostly Blacks, with 9 Black bases against Sunset and Sunrise, which belong to the Red color group, Labradorite which was, sadly, added as a Golden, and then the Cream Heavenly -, August started with the stud exclusive Ruffian Cream base, and the hard to get Solaris Cream applicator, but also got the Scoundrel stud base this year, September has so far the Red applicable base Locust and the newest Black base, Augur, October has featured Red bases since the big Genetics overhaul, November started featuring only Creams and then got the addition of Black with Penumbra and Nuumite, and last we have December with – you guessed it – more Black bases. And what does Golden have? Hybrid bases and explore exclusive. Nice if you want a challenge, not so nice if you want to go on with your breeding projects customizing existing cubs.

To summarize that big block of information above, Black seems to be everywhere followed by Red, and then Cream and Golden are left forgotten in a corner to be recalled sporadically and, in the case of Golden, with the weirdest and/or hardest to get bases.

I understand people voted in the polls for Blacks to get additions first back in the day because there are a lot more breeders focused on the group as a whole or liked the bases better, but that doesn’t mean Golden isn’t loved by players and that it doesn’t deserve some attention for a change. There are some suggestions in the base and mane base forums that would look right at home with the more “classical” Goldens, and if everything else fails there is always the option to make other existing bases’ recolors, too.



This suggestion has 338 supports and 16 NO supports.



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Edited on 05/05/20 @ 07:36:40 by Berenos (#84593)

ObscuraLuna (#157533)

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Posted on
2018-11-18 19:12:33
I, too, hate yellow as a color. That said, it turns out that I have a significant golden presence in my pride now that I've collected all of them in their own cave. Whodathunkit? Support!



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2018-11-20 14:18:18
I love golden bases and have definitely noticed a disparity between the color groups. It would be nice to have a month focused more on them, as other groups seem to, especially considering it’s one of the most common colors in actual lions... maybe the anti-poaching month or January? but longer players will have a better sense for that.

Just wanted to add my voice to prove that we golden fans are out there! I’m not fussy about how this is remedied but golden needs some applicable bases that are, well, golden. (Dare I specify countershaded? But really both gradients need additions.)



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2018-11-20 14:32:52
In my opinion it's Countershadeds missing some nice applicator bases (Solid has them all except Bast and Anubis: Sunshine, Topaz, *Green, Labradorite, Chatoyant, Trophy and Xanthic). On the other hand, Solids are missing some nice, common bases in the Dark shade, there's only Dark Golden, Zarafshan and Zarbanu in there.



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2018-12-08 07:54:35
I support,

I love trophy and would support hard to pass golden additions!

I don’t stud my king to others
I don’t sell cubs
I like it just to like it.



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2018-12-20 15:06:31
Support.
I feel like golden is the most divisive of all the colour groups. Because it is (arguably) the most unpopular genetic bloc, I think the new applicator bases have been part of an attempt to try and encourage more people to take a chance on these genetics. People who like more colourful lions are more likely to use these new applicators despite them being gold. The issue, however, is that it just makes the whole genetics higgledy piggledy.
Those of us who like the more wacky colourful bases don't like the golden fails that result from them (not that I hate golden bases, I mostly just hate the common golds you can get which are worse than the fails of other genetics imo), whilst those who love more natural bases get exasperated by all these weird bases which they won't use, which are also taking up potential natural golden base applicators (e.g Dhahabi). I feel that because of this conflict, the golden genetics will never truly 'shine' like the other genetics, which are more comfortable in who they are catering to. However, some more natural golden bases and markings would be great to have and a nice break from the more wacky colours (even if I unashamedly support more of those as well - more green bases please!).

I feel that the Golden genetics would really benefit from a further split between more 'natural' and more 'unnatural' bases. This would mean that both sides would likely have a more equal representation.
But I understand why this would open a can of worms and may be a bit too difficult and complicated to implement.

June is now a (mostly) golden base centric event now yes? So maybe future Junes can introduce natural golden base applicators which could be bought from the shop or crafted during the event. Wacky colour breeders can still get their weird bases from the culmination of the storyline, whilst natural breeders can gather/buy natural golden base and marking apps throughout the event - everyone is happy. Maybe NCL 'exclusive' bases can be offered as base applicators on the Gorilla Enclave. Most people would not be interested (those bases are more useful as special base generators), but it means that those who really do want to breed those bases can actually realistically do so and creates more natural golden bases which can be applied.



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Edited on 20/12/18 @ 15:08:56 by Blue Pigeon Side🐾 CLF (#69012)

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2018-12-21 02:58:51
Thank you for your input @Blue Pigeon!

I'm glad that the fact you prefer those colorful bases doesn't stop you from seeing the thing. Other color groups have a relative balance between natural bases and unnatural ones, so I don't see how Golden should be any different.

However, I don't agree with the idea of using the already existing exclusive bases to sort of "patch" the issue, both because it would make those bases be "less" than what they are now, and because it'd not fix the issue that is the lack of "easy to hoard" base applicators Golden lacks in comparison with the other groups - the exceptions are the custom bases, Sunshine, Topaz and Xanthic, plus Labradorite and Chatoyant, and all of these have Solid genetics. Creating an app to purchase form the Enclave would make it significantly harder to get than if you had them in an Event shop, I think, plus it wouldn't be fair on those that have worked so hard to get the exclusive bases to pass.



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2019-01-18 05:55:02
I’m in the process of breeding a Mobola king. My only options for my heir that I can apply with the same genetics are labradorite and green. Labradorite, while I love it, looks terrible with his marks. Green, again, I love it, doesn’t work for my breeding projects at all. So now I’m torn. Do I turn his marks way down so they don’t clash with labradorite? Or do I keep his marks and say screw it, go for ochre, which looks nice, and hope I magically get a pretty Mobola baby?

It’s a problem. This account switches between red and black, although primarily black. My main is primarily cream, but I needed a change so it’s red until I can get my pretty golden boy. Gold needs more nice bases. So many of the pretty gold bases I’ve wanted to use have been breed-only, so unless I get lucky with breeding I can’t get the lion I want. It’s a challenge, but after a point, when you can’t get anything you want to work out, it dampens the enjoyment of the game.



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2019-01-18 05:58:55
@Lirael

In this case, Solid is better equiped than Countershaded - you can always apply Topaz in a pickle to try and breed Mobola. At least it's not so different from the base that the markings that fit Mobola wouldn't clash with it :'D



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2019-01-18 09:07:48
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How I feel right now xD



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2019-01-18 09:10:53
omg that's awesome Ivy



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2019-09-04 02:51:16
Just updated the whole opening post, so it'd be greatly appreciated if you guys were to give it a peek :'D



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2019-09-04 03:22:52
Some of the yellow bases I see shudders, are just downright eyesores to me with their brightness, but I have come to take a liking for ones like Nacarat and Doubloon. Golden does lack good, new bases, or when they get them it's just stupid (like the newest addition Ember tbh). Cream and Golden need more new yet sensible bases instead of red/black.



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2019-09-04 03:34:04
Thank you for your input @Tappadapa <3



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Saber[106419 side] (#113558)

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2019-09-04 06:58:07
I believe why nobody breeds gold is because the bases don't appeal to alot of people don't like to breed because the fails absolutely suck.



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2019-09-04 07:12:06
@CarribianSeas

Saying that nobody breeds golds is going a bit too far. There are Golden breeders out there. That we are fewer than there are in other groups doesn't mean we don't exist

Even if we are few and, in your opinion, the Golden fails "suck", that doesn't mean it's fine that Golden doesn't get as the same quality and quantity of other groups bases



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