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2018-11-05 05:13:12
This thread began as a way to bring attention to the fact that the Golden color group is being neglected in favor of other, more prominent color groups, both because it gets fewer additions and because those additions are nothing like what you’d usually expect from the Golden color group – for example, Green, Labradorite, and the latest addition, Ember.

To start with hard facts: It has been almost a year since I first posted this, and here are all the new bases we got since December 2018:
  • Black Group: Aufeis, Elysian, Rhino, Glass, Velvet, Murk, Leonids, Demiurge, Augur, Noctis, Spectre, Frotbitten, Snowflake

  • Cream Group: Alabaster, Heavenly, Ammonite, Moss Agate, Guardian

  • Golden Group: Maziwa, Ornament, Ember, Angelic, Festive, Hyena, Nudar, Sunspot, Sahara, Victor

  • Red Group: Rough Ruby, Wine, Sha, Rose Gold, Scoundrel, Merlot, Hibiscus, Rhubarb


Final count of bases added from December 2018 - May 2020: 13 Black bases, 5 Cream bases, 10 Golden bases, 8 Red bases.

And the final count of all the bases currently in game? A total of 67 Black bases, 53 Cream bases, 58 Golden bases and 59 Red bases.



If you want a more updated version of this long explanation below, take a peek at the latest lament of a golden breeder here.

To me it feels highly unfair that there is this blatant neglection going on because either a) apparently Golden bases are hard to make, or b) players that prefer other color groups don’t like it and that’s why we get such “interesting” additions to spark interest. And of course, we don’t see Golden intruding in other color groups, to spark “interest” in those in exchange – not that I’d want that to happen, but it’s the principle of the thing.

I like Goldens. Well, I like the concept of Goldens as they were. Nacarat, Goldenrod, Doubloon, Sulphur, Sunshine, and Champagne, to name a few. So, what if other players find them bland or boring? You won’t see me complaining seriously about other groups’ additions because I think they are an eyesore, if they are liked by others, that’s absolutely fine. But we’ve been waiting years for nice Golden bases and, when we finally do, we keep getting these weird things that more often than not are hard to breed or come from a really hard to make applicator, on top of that.

Dhahabi was supposed to be our November’s applicator back in November 2017, to pair up with Penumbra and Fossil, as you can see here, but then, after a long anticipated wait, exclusive bases became a thing and we were left with no applicators for Golden bases except the regular custom ones until May 2018, with Trophy. This has happened again and again, with Labradorite being added on July 2018 to Goldens for some unfathomable reason – though I’d be hard pressed to pick a proper color group for its final design, to be honest –, Xanthic, ect.

Another thing that keeps happening is that all the applicable bases seem to be going to the Solid gradient. Up until Anubis and Bast, there wasn’t a single Golden Countershaded Special base one could apply, and when they were first introduced you could only get one of those per account, as a reward for completing the new June 2018’s storyline – and, in fact, keep being the only ones, as there are no Uncommon ones.

In the original post, I mentioned that, while there seemed to be events dedicated to other color groups, there wasn’t a single one dedicated to Golden: February with its Red bases, March starting with Cream and then getting one (1) Golden base (Chatoyant), May with the long road towards crafting the Trophy applicator and this year’s addition of Ornament, then June started with two (2) Golden bases and one (1) Red that could be used to breed for the Golden combo base Gilded, but 2019 got one (1) more Black with Velvet, one (1) more Red with Sha and one (1) Cream with Alabaster, and make up the factors to trigger the Rose Gold combo base, which is Red. July features mostly Blacks, with 9 Black bases against Sunset and Sunrise, which belong to the Red color group, Labradorite which was, sadly, added as a Golden, and then the Cream Heavenly -, August started with the stud exclusive Ruffian Cream base, and the hard to get Solaris Cream applicator, but also got the Scoundrel stud base this year, September has so far the Red applicable base Locust and the newest Black base, Augur, October has featured Red bases since the big Genetics overhaul, November started featuring only Creams and then got the addition of Black with Penumbra and Nuumite, and last we have December with – you guessed it – more Black bases. And what does Golden have? Hybrid bases and explore exclusive. Nice if you want a challenge, not so nice if you want to go on with your breeding projects customizing existing cubs.

To summarize that big block of information above, Black seems to be everywhere followed by Red, and then Cream and Golden are left forgotten in a corner to be recalled sporadically and, in the case of Golden, with the weirdest and/or hardest to get bases.

I understand people voted in the polls for Blacks to get additions first back in the day because there are a lot more breeders focused on the group as a whole or liked the bases better, but that doesn’t mean Golden isn’t loved by players and that it doesn’t deserve some attention for a change. There are some suggestions in the base and mane base forums that would look right at home with the more “classical” Goldens, and if everything else fails there is always the option to make other existing bases’ recolors, too.



This suggestion has 338 supports and 16 NO supports.



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Edited on 05/05/20 @ 07:36:40 by Berenos (#84593)

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2019-12-14 08:41:40
Yeah, we do. It's quite painful to see another black added and on one hand I am happy, on the other my first thought is now "Okay, but any golds? It's December, festivities, colors, like come on" and then i see another black, this time a combo c': And, if admins would like to go with more natural colors - why not try gold lion tamarin base? Since they do look for adding more animal inspired markings, then why not bases. Gold pheasant males have a nice coloration too, which would fit golds really well. Yellow cardinal inspired base would be nice too. Or golden brushtail possums. Some sugar gliders have a nice creamy/golden coloration with a single stripe going from nose to the tail end.

There are hundreds of options for that, and I hope one day golds and creams will have them.



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Pantherafey (#160623)

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2019-12-14 08:47:04
I think the salt base would be an interesting gold or cream



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2019-12-14 08:49:10
Last time I checked salt base was clearly more of a black genetics than gold or cream :)



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Bezthiel 🍉 (#81210)

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2020-04-30 16:19:58
Poor Triumph. I'm just assuming it'll never be added, tbh. Gotta jam in more green and red bases, cuz that's what people like in their gold group. ...sorry... Triumph was my favorite and I just have this deep-seated feeling that it didn't win because it wasn't appealing enough to people who weren't even going to breed in the gold group anyway...

In all seriousness and without minor resentment, please look into filling out, not just gold with appropriate bases, but cream and red in general too. Maybe we can hold off on putting in so many blacks this year and focus on balancing our genetics charts..



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2020-04-30 21:06:48
We are seeming to get a few goldens for May at least.



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❄️ Icey ❄️ (#44765)

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2020-04-30 21:20:20
Yet as usual they're NCL (or NCG in this case) exclusive. It's like we cant catch a break OTL

i genuinely love all three groupie bases tho, and at least we have something at last! But we already have Asali, Dhahabi, Mobola and Maziwa as breed-only bases, do we really need more of those? Crazy that they balance out the number of bases but not the way they're gotten. Soon we'll have to make a new thread to see how Goldens fare against the other bases in the way they can be achieved.

I'm genuinely happy for the new bases but at the same time this killed my excitement for them. I'm just exausted of breeding projects OTL. Cant I just apply the base I want for once in my life ;;



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Edited on 30/04/20 @ 21:20:55 by ❄️ Icey ❄️ (#44765)

Bezthiel 🍉 (#81210)

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2020-04-30 21:26:12
"Yet as usual they're NCL (or NCG in this case) exclusive. It's like we cant catch a break OTL"

Yep, that's the problem.

They're really nice, don't get me wrong. But I'm not telling the admins "I want gold to be the breed only group", yet there they are, breed only...again. Which there are a pretty okay amount of imo.



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2020-04-30 21:27:15
I asked about Triumph in the news post btw.
This was their response

My comment



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❄️ Icey ❄️ (#44765)

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2020-04-30 21:30:18
I'm seriously tempted to just go on hiatus again because i was drawn back by this "era of goldens" just to be let down again. I just. I'm so tired. Just once, just once let me apply what I want instead of having to:

• get the lion with the base (all of which are uncommon)
• breed the base onto a cub (also not easy!)
• breed a good mane into a cub WITH the base
• breed all the markings I need AND a good mane into a cub WITH the base
• and if I want pretty golden markings? Either breed them into the base or spend months trying to get a MT applicator for a random chance at the marking I need.

I cant be the only one who feels this is unfair. It's so. Tiring. I feel like I'm being given everything I want except in the worst way possible.



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Edited on 30/04/20 @ 21:32:56 by ❄️ Icey ❄️ (#44765)

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2020-04-30 21:36:20
I ...am...

I was drawn to hope by the neat new golden bases, I stuck around this month to grab my Wenet. I'll try again next Feb when I come back to farm Y. Barks to trade for art.

It's taken me almost a year to get back to where I was when the mane changes came about.

Only to come back to a Mandarin nerf when it was already in medium.

...cool, guess I didn't want to breed that then. Good thing there are all kinds of new gold bases! That are breed only and basically require me to start from outside of gold. Oh. Neat.

So that Mukombero quest! ...will be next year. Oh. Okay. Well.

I'm not trying to complain or anything. It just truly seems like I have no good place to start on Mandarin, considering it's pass rate and the lack of apps to choose from. So I might as well wait.



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Edited on 30/04/20 @ 21:38:22 by Bezthiel (#81210)

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2020-04-30 21:45:50
Yea exactly! I wanted a Kiman (still a fave) or a Mandarin but recently I've settled for Asali or Maziwa, only to struggle even with them. Especially Maziwa, it's so pretty but it's medium so... sigh. Maybe I'll get a Nudar, we'll see... or maybe i'll crawl back to Red. Hasnt gotten as much attention as in the past but what it gets is pretty neat.



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2020-05-01 02:02:14
I'm sorry this introduction to the "Golden Era" was a let down, guys. I did reply to the news post about it before coming here, I'll try to update the thread to add all the new bits soon



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2020-05-03 10:47:28
I support more love for the Golds, hugs to all my fellow gold base fans.



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2020-05-05 08:11:14
So I'll start by exposing here the total bases there are right now, so you can see how each section of every group is doing currently:

Black Group total=67


  • 13 Dark Countershaded

  • 13 Medium Countershaded

  • 11 Light Countershaded

  • 13 Dark Solid

  • 8 Medium Solid

  • 9 Light Solid


Cream group total=53


  • 10 Dark Countershaded

  • 10 Medium Countershaded

  • 8 Light Countershaded

  • 8 Dark Solid

  • 9 Medium Solid

  • 8 Light Solid


Golden group total=58


  • 11 Dark Countershaded

  • 10 medium countershaded

  • 8 Light Countershaded

  • 8 Dark Solid

  • 12 Medium Solid

  • 9 Light Solid


Red group total=59


  • 12 Dark Countershaded

  • 11 Medium Countershaded

  • 9 Light Countershaded

  • 9 Dark Solid

  • 9 Medium Solid

  • 9 Light Solid


While the increase of bases in groups previously neglected is amazing and super welcome, the display above highlights how Countershaded is favored above Solid, and that's without analizying group by group how many bases are applicable, breed only, raffle, ect. The next part of this reply will focus on Golden both because this thread started as a plea to pay it more attention and because this group suffers unique circumstances that I don't believe affect the other 3, read, hybrid bases and explore exclusive.

The latest base additions to the Golden group are everything I think I and other breeders were hoping for, except for one detail: they are all Special breed only (with the exception of Victor, which was added to Solid Dark where it will make company another 3 easily applicable bases and the single breed only, Udara). If we add these to Kimanjano, Mandarin, Asali, Dhahabi and Mobola, this means Golden as a whole has the unfortunate reality that most of its special bases are, again, harder to breed that the other 3 groups with the exception of Lilac and Sepia which, by virtue of being Medium have an additional level of difficulty passing to their special genetics and a single breed only base it can fail to when no applicator bases are used in a pairing.

Please don't get me wrong, I love the bases the staff has chosen to add to Golden - a far cry from Green, Labradorite and Ember -, the issue is the manner they have been added to the game. It doesn't matter how many pretty bases we get if, at the end of the day, you can only try to breed two of them at a time for one of them to have a chance to pass onto offspring, there's one (1) possible breed only or uncommon fail and there are only so few bases that are applicable to begin with. Bases hard to breed should be the exception and not the rule, in my opinion, to make the game more manageable and the overal experience far more pleasant.

Edit: forgot to add, the base count has been udpated in the opening thread at last. Thank you for your patience.



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Edited on 05/05/20 @ 08:11:52 by Berenos (#84593)

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2020-05-05 08:23:18
While I do breed blacks, not golds, I can tell one thing - I had a choice if I want to have a challenge or not with breeding for certain special bases.
I went with Leonid, which is black medium, hard as fuck to breed like all mediums, BUT, if I ever decide to stay in blacks but go for something easier in special genetics - I can buy an app for it in event shop. I do not need to have a lion with that base as back up (breed only specials) nor wait for a storyline in ONE event, available for ONE MONTH where I will need to carefully pick the side, NOR collect things that available ONLY for one month.

Which means I actually have more ways of getting black, or red, or cream than I have for getting gold, as for each of the other three groups I can easily buy the apps in event shops. For gold? There is no app that could be easily bought in event shop with event currency, making it easier to get. You either breed them or collect a shitton of things. You can't just go "Oh, next month I could buy an app for another base, I don't need to stress over collecting this". Why not give some of the new bases apps in event shop? Or in V'Kai's and Vash's shops??
For instance - Sahara or Nudar would've made nice app bases, don't need to be breed only.

Gold breeders do not have a choice of "I can go with this breed only base or I can go with this easily obtainable applicator base", but are thrown into the breed only hell, which is unfair.



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