Posted by Let's.... talk about the July Event

Lex 🦋 {Brief
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2021-07-08 10:05:13

So...the July Event

Please read before commenting!
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I am AWARE that the "full version" of the event is not available and it will not be until next year. I am AWARE that the admin and art teams put in a lot of work for this event. I am very thankful for them. Xylax, Deertush, 7th, you guys are amazing and I love you. This thread is in no way meant to downplay your skills or capabilities, because your art is fantastic and i and everyone else appreciate everything you do for us to keep the game fresh and beautiful. This thread is being posted because I would like to hear suggestions and input from the rest of the community, because i am aware that myself and most of my friends very much dislike what has happened to the July event in terms of the rehaul.



The Mechanics
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I'm not even sure where to begin with this.

Event Currency is Participation Currency.

Asking the community to pay a tax from their currency in order to participate is, quite frankly, a little bit outrageous. It would be like having to pay stink bugs in order to leave poop in other people's dens. It would be like having to use Khepri beetles in order to fight with your deity, How is anybody supposed to save for items for the event shop with this model?

Battling Sucks.

There's not much I can say other than this. Battling NPCs is a mechanic that not many people on Lioden like to do, but now the only way to get major event currency is to fight for it on a RNG based system that you have to...pay in order to access. With enemies that don't seem to be scaled correctly at all. It isn't even a "you lose so you lost energy try again later" situation. You're physically paying event currency to have your ass beaten by space dragons. And don't even get me started on the bosses, please. How am I supposed to beat a boss when random NPCs are killing me in three hits?

What the fuck is going on?

There's just so much I want to say but I don't know how to put it into words.
It feels like there's been little to no communication from the staff team and it frustrates me because of how much I love this game and how much I loved this event.
This isn't Wolvden, but it sure feels like Wolvden is starting to bleed in over here. July really right now feels like a glorified Lunar event, and I don't like that that's been done.
When the delay news was posted, that was just fine! Like I said, I love this art team, But... this isn't what was expected. I was expecting a delay for the entire event to be posted. This wasn't communicated at all and now people are confused on all fronts, from currency to what's going on to everything else.
I really, genuinely think most people were expecting different storylines from different perspectives from the characters we've been fawning over for years, with Tefnut up first. This isn't what anybody wanted.


On the Topic of Characters
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I don't even understand why anyone thought tossing all of the July NPCs out would be a good idea or where it came from. Nobody in the community asked for this. There was so much that could have been done, that I think most people expected. When Tefnut's backstory was teased, everyone was so excited! I was super excited to learn about the celestial world of the lions we loved. We watched Menhit grow up! She's my favorite NPC in the entirety of Lioden and now she's just... gone? So i can fight some random space dragons? I'm just...confused. Like why should i...care? Where is Tefnut's backstory? Apollyon's? Apedemak's? Obviously there was more to learn about him, since one of the explore encounters talked about how he was some crazy guy talking to the sky which implies our character has no fucking idea who Apedemak is from the jump.


In closing
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Comments I would like to point out
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Edited on 08/07/21 @ 12:10:44 by Lex (#56485)

corpusbonds (#30085)

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Posted on
2022-07-02 11:41:04
Yikes at it being 5 shards again, talk about terrible.

I was already struggling to find shards in explore so.. oof. Not to mention I’ve just straight up given up with fighting bosses since I can’t seem to beat them.



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2022-07-02 12:15:22
@corpusbonds , 2 shards was way to low, the fact u could infinite explore wasn't really great... plus they changed it to where u only encounter bosses once, so if u loose it'll go right back to normal enemies anyways

Also at least they kept buffed shard amounts in explore, and shards aren't to hard to find in celestial explore, which is the main source of shards anyways



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2022-07-02 12:33:45
3 shards would have been better. What I find odd is that they tweaked it back to 5 when all they had to do was lower the rate of shards you can get during encounters in the CE. Instead of 5-10, you could get 1-5 alongside the old 2 per step. THAT was what caused the infinite loop problem, not the per step cost. This entire event is just a mess.

Edit: Honestly, why even have shards at all? Why not a separate energy bar that fills up over time like the normal one? Maybe you could use shards to get in and then have a separate energy bar for the CE. idk...

Edit 2: Also, the fights are just unbalanced af. Fighting in Lioden has always kind of been bad but it's way more noticeable with these overpowered dragons and shit. It's just not fun all around...



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Edited on 02/07/22 @ 12:44:50 by Moony The 1st (G1 Soul) (#85799)

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2022-07-02 12:38:16
I find the dragons impossible to fight and actually win, which is a shame because I'm a galaxy fanatic and the event is so pretty. But I've only got 12 cores in two days (thanks covid...) and it's such a bummer. Nerf the dragons' attacks or make them easier to kill? IDK. Hopefully the devs will figure it out. Sounds like last year was a mess. I just want to buy some pretty galaxy stuff mannnn lol



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2022-07-02 13:32:25
I love the artwork this month and im really appreciate the amount of work the artists did. And i absolutely love dragons!!! But if im being honest...i feel like we should have just stuck with the storyline (but with some major changes to some of it naturally). This feels like wolvden, i literally stopped playing the sister site because i was becoming sick and tired of the grinding. These new space dragons, the Pay to explore, Shard drops...It is causeing so mutch drama-



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Edited on 02/07/22 @ 13:35:15 by MoonlightStar(3xRosette/Ivory) (#191309)

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2022-07-02 13:44:46
@sara: If they buffed the shard amount in explore, it’s not working.




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2022-07-02 13:51:38
My main queen gets her ass beat by NCLs in explore, how am i supposed to fight space dragons.



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Posted on
2022-07-02 14:31:36
I'm getting roughly 17-20 shards per each explore I run. I don't think those are bad numbers.

Yes, the dragons are difficult, but I, at least, find that I'm able to beat them 4/5 times. Again, not bad. My king is no stat monster, and I wouldn't say I'm struggling at all. If you're having trouble remembering what's strong tactics against which enemies, I'd note it down somewhere and use that as a reference. (Which is, as far as I've been told and had work for me: Roar at Dustlings/Burstlings; Grab & Claw Wyverns; Pound Wyrms/Serpents/Snakes. Starting with charging enemies works well for me, as well.)

In summation: I don't think they should have gone back up to five, but I also don't think this is as big a deal as some people are making it out to be. You have a MONTH to get everything you want, and if you miss out on something, welllllll, so be it. It's not like you'll never have another chance or there aren't other ways to get those items.

I think we get plenty of shards per explore, though I do think the number of shards should be lowered OR the number of cores we get raised.



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2022-07-02 14:52:18
Why did they reverse it back to 5 shards? I was actually having fun when it was only 2, now I'm back to struggling to explore in the new event arena, and I hardly get any MS back from exploring in there, and barely any in normal explore. I understand not wanting a never ending explore loop, but I don't think going back up to 5 was the way to do it.



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Edited on 02/07/22 @ 14:58:24 by Electric Gabaloo (#93267)

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Posted on
2022-07-02 15:16:39
There is absolutely no plot. No ryhme or reason why we're fighting dragons in space and nothing that ties in the bases, backgrounds, or applicators. Just threw us into space with dragons and said fight.

I dislike how heavily pvp based this is. I tried wolvden and quit for this reason. I liked lioden bc pvp is relatively non consequential to participate, up until this.

I could deal with all that when the Ms cost was 2 steps. Bc I could mindlessly wander and at least enjoy the art and relax knowing I could ignore the space dragons. Now they put it back at 5, have clearly NOT buffed any drop rate in explore, and added nothing to the story.

If the reason is they need to do away with the characters, that still makes no sense. The characters still exist and we still encounter them and the OVERWHELMING VAST MAJORITY STILL LIKE AND WANT THESE CHARACTERS! I don't understand how, even after changing it, it's triggering to look at a 2d pixel lion... And I don't think it is the case for most.

Overall, the art is gorgeous, but I don't like the heavy pvp, I'm not a fan of there being absolutely no plot, no story, nothing to get us invested or tie the store in at all. And I feel like those complaining about how they can't sell the bases for what they wanted should have to just suck it up lol not literally everyone else actually doing the event to do it and not for the tc prices... I know the mods/admins are really trying to make everyone happy and that is absolutely a hard place to be and a impossible thing to do and I appreciate them for trying. I just would rather have the original July event entirely. I do not really like the random space dragons. It doesn't feel like lioden.



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2022-07-02 15:34:08
The one thing I personally HATE about the event is that you lose energy in the fights with the space creatures, but energy to explore is the only way to get more MS to go back to space once you run out of them...
So yeah, feels like a really annoying loop, and I feel like the fights not taking energy would at least be helpful.



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2022-07-02 16:21:28
I started this event with 1 MS, after two hours of waiting, and a full energy bar later, I have enough MS to travel a total of FOUR times! How amazing! With any luck I can travel five times two hours from now! :D What an amazing, fun, casual event that doesn't demand grinding with little to no payoff, and gives the player FULL control over outcomes and what they can earn!



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Edited on 02/07/22 @ 16:32:17 by Incarnate (#102788)

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Posted on
2022-07-02 16:36:40
@Starlion

This is not a PvP event. Player vrs Player? There are No PvP events events except maybe May, though the tournaments are RNG more than PvP. Apedamek and Appolyon have one quest each that ask you to do challenges. It's really very minor and you can skip quests if they annoy you that much.



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Posted on
2022-07-02 16:39:15
@Lunar Lords (#86479)

I'm like 99% sure they met PVE



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2022-07-02 16:41:05
Maybe, but that isn't what they said. But July is hardly unique in being a pve battle event.



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