Posted by Let's.... talk about the July Event

Lex 🦋 {Brief
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2021-07-08 10:05:13

So...the July Event

Please read before commenting!
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I am AWARE that the "full version" of the event is not available and it will not be until next year. I am AWARE that the admin and art teams put in a lot of work for this event. I am very thankful for them. Xylax, Deertush, 7th, you guys are amazing and I love you. This thread is in no way meant to downplay your skills or capabilities, because your art is fantastic and i and everyone else appreciate everything you do for us to keep the game fresh and beautiful. This thread is being posted because I would like to hear suggestions and input from the rest of the community, because i am aware that myself and most of my friends very much dislike what has happened to the July event in terms of the rehaul.



The Mechanics
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I'm not even sure where to begin with this.

Event Currency is Participation Currency.

Asking the community to pay a tax from their currency in order to participate is, quite frankly, a little bit outrageous. It would be like having to pay stink bugs in order to leave poop in other people's dens. It would be like having to use Khepri beetles in order to fight with your deity, How is anybody supposed to save for items for the event shop with this model?

Battling Sucks.

There's not much I can say other than this. Battling NPCs is a mechanic that not many people on Lioden like to do, but now the only way to get major event currency is to fight for it on a RNG based system that you have to...pay in order to access. With enemies that don't seem to be scaled correctly at all. It isn't even a "you lose so you lost energy try again later" situation. You're physically paying event currency to have your ass beaten by space dragons. And don't even get me started on the bosses, please. How am I supposed to beat a boss when random NPCs are killing me in three hits?

What the fuck is going on?

There's just so much I want to say but I don't know how to put it into words.
It feels like there's been little to no communication from the staff team and it frustrates me because of how much I love this game and how much I loved this event.
This isn't Wolvden, but it sure feels like Wolvden is starting to bleed in over here. July really right now feels like a glorified Lunar event, and I don't like that that's been done.
When the delay news was posted, that was just fine! Like I said, I love this art team, But... this isn't what was expected. I was expecting a delay for the entire event to be posted. This wasn't communicated at all and now people are confused on all fronts, from currency to what's going on to everything else.
I really, genuinely think most people were expecting different storylines from different perspectives from the characters we've been fawning over for years, with Tefnut up first. This isn't what anybody wanted.


On the Topic of Characters
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I don't even understand why anyone thought tossing all of the July NPCs out would be a good idea or where it came from. Nobody in the community asked for this. There was so much that could have been done, that I think most people expected. When Tefnut's backstory was teased, everyone was so excited! I was super excited to learn about the celestial world of the lions we loved. We watched Menhit grow up! She's my favorite NPC in the entirety of Lioden and now she's just... gone? So i can fight some random space dragons? I'm just...confused. Like why should i...care? Where is Tefnut's backstory? Apollyon's? Apedemak's? Obviously there was more to learn about him, since one of the explore encounters talked about how he was some crazy guy talking to the sky which implies our character has no fucking idea who Apedemak is from the jump.


In closing
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Comments I would like to point out
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Agryo

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Jester

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Edited on 08/07/21 @ 12:10:44 by Lex (#56485)

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Posted on
2021-07-08 11:44:27
...and that is - if we even have thousands left. I've had only 800MS left. And drop from explore (without those encounters that gave 30 or 10MS) is really low.



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Anarchie (#218507)

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2021-07-08 11:47:05
I just personally don't know how to feel about the July event. It's my first July here, and I do love the new aesthetic, but I'm confused and kind of overwhelmed? I don't know if I'm going to be able to afford much of anything, and I feel like I'm picking and choosing from a lot of features, from the current selection and the old retired items. The retired items taking SB along with Zimbabwe taking SB to start doesn't help.

I stopped playing Wolvden despite loving most of the content because its event system was also very overwhelming for me - I love the art of both this and the Lunar event, but it's... difficult. This format seems a bit easier to work with, and I appreciate that the admins are taking feedback to heart, I'm just... confused is really the only way to put it. I don't really know what I should be doing.

I wonder if polls will come up at some point, that might help some?



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Hearteater. (#60699)


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2021-07-08 11:47:46
I had 350 MS and decided to explore. I have 51 left. I have gotten a total of 39 Axion cores out of it. ONE background from the shop is 50 axion cores. That means it will probably take 400+ shards to get ONE background. Maybe I'm not battling the right way, I don't know. That rate does not feel right.



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Lex 🦋 {Brief
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2021-07-08 11:48:11
@Firelord - I literally would have been fine with them replacing Zimbabwe with this and having the celestial lions talk about it a little. Instead we lost the whole thing like ...



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Fading Angel (G2 2k)
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2021-07-08 11:48:15
I had 750 shards, 500 left over from last year. Ive spent them all in that explore realm... And only got 35 axions to show for it.
A whole week of explore + last years left over because I didnt really need anything, as nithing new was really added, so say 2 weeks from last year. THREE weeks of currency. Doesnt even give me enough for a BG -_-



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jester [im autistic]
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2021-07-08 11:49:36
July is usually kind of a stressful event, with the Celestial Lioness releasing a base everyone scrambles for and then forgets in a month. On top of that, it has some of the most valuable base apps in the game with Divine, Interstellar, and Demiurge.

So instead of trying to reduce this type of stress, they throw more on top of it and go "enjoy the new event guys! :)"

The community didn't want an entirely new event. I certainly didn't, I loved Menhit, Tefnut, and Apollyon. I wanted them to stay and I wanted a less triggering event. Much of the community felt this way. Instead it seems the creative team was so attached to their incestous, domestic violence ridden storyline to take the player's experience into account because so far this month it's just been disorientating, confusing, and just a turn off for playing this event or even Lioden in general. Hell, they could have even reused most of the art. A simple storyline with celestials having typical drama would have rocked! Like maybe Menhit realizes her Dad is cheating on her mom, or maybe Apedemak is just simply an overprotective father who isn't ready to see his daughter and only child grow up. Those could have been amazing and heartfelt like May's storyline.

It seems as if they saw the old storyline was upsetting, went "Fine. If it's so upsetting then you can't have it at all", and then threw everything out on the porch for the garbage man. What's going to happen to their encounters in other events? Are we going to have NPCs who no longer exist in February and December to confuse new players? Removing Menhit and Tefnut also took out like a quarter of our named female NPCs. We now have Wenet, Sangoma Tefnut, and Bast. Compared to the heaps of male NPCs we have. It feels like when you don't clean your room and you get the classic "clean up or it's all going in trash bags" threat and you take just slightly too long to start cleaning.

I'm just really disappointed in everything about this :(. From how the community's acted, to how the event transition was handled, to the lack of transparency about what's going to happen with anything referencing the old event, or where the Zimbabwe and Firefly Shop decors are going to go. It feels like when WaS was retired due to flash and how we're still waiting to see where those go.



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2021-07-08 11:52:28
"I stopped playing wolvden because I didn't have the time nor energy to put into its demanding playstyle - including the lunar event grind especially, and to see it implemented in this event immediately made me lose all motivation to play this month."

TOTALLY AGREE!

I still try with Wolvden, but with a busy real life, I'm online at pretty much the same time each day and on Wolvden's event, I'd only see daytime. I rarely saw night and activation of the Lunar event. So I'm beginning to dislike Wolvden as a result.

That aside, back to Lioden. I was so glad to be over with the Egyptian snakes event. I think that is one of my most disliked events in the entire year. I typically don't have time to keep battling NPC's. I love the storylines and encountering random areas, etc., but not battling all the time. I used to enjoy this month's storyline even if one of the characters took a turn for the worse. While I like the idea of space and dragons and the art looks pretty cool, I dislike the fact that it feels like the Egyptian snakes event all over again---battling and more battling of NPC's. If events keep doing this, I'll stop participating in them and may eventually leave Lioden out of boredom of the same playing mechanics over and over again.



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2021-07-08 11:53:06
jester [g2 bushveld rl clone] (#187561)

You could not have put it any better. We did not want an entirely new event. We want out babies back.

The implications of deleting our babies is so scary, I didn't think of December, just February. Holy Hell. Your post puts how I feel about losing the event into more perfect words than I ever could have.



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2021-07-08 11:55:45
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I hate battling. It takes too much time. I'm the half time baby sitter of a one year old and a fulltime university student. going from June to ANOTHER battle heavy event feels like garbage. Well put !



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Fading Angel (G2 2k)
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Posted on
2021-07-08 11:57:09
I agree to the battles!
I miss when not every event had to have intense amount of battling!!
We dont need 10+ new NCPs... And we dont want 9 of them just to kick our butts anyways, so then not only are we out so much energy, but we also dont have energy left to find the little bit of currency we can find.


My top favorite event was June's Flood event.... I miss that event a bunch

But I understand some events do get boring/need changed after time.

But July event was never ending new, I feel like it had a year or 2 more in it. And wouldnt have minded if maybe some items just got retired/rotated bi yearly.



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✨ Paipa | G2
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Posted on
2021-07-08 12:02:21
I am supporting this whole post!

The reason I dropped out of Wolvden months ago (after the first Lunar event really), even though I paid for special ID and EA, was the hard play style and grinding. Events are not fun if you have to constantly think what you need to save, what to use to get something etc. Like now I am afraid to do anything else than explore normally, since I don't want to use shards to get those cores. Yes, I would like to join Celestial raffle, but even then my luck is so bad that it would go for waste. And those points about new bases and marks in the raffle are so right! 5 cores for one raffle. To get 5 cores you need _at least_ 25 shards and need to win all the battles you come across. Way easier said than done. I have gotten 1 core and it took me two battles and total of 15 shards. Do I want to continue? No. I want apps and for those I need to save up since I am only at less than 1k shards shared between my two accounts.

This whole event seems too much like Lunar event in Wolvden and even though this was just ripped of from Wolvden and pasted here. Staff don't want Lioden to bleed into Wolvden, so why would this be okay then? I want to play Lioden as Lioden since I have played this game for 6 years now and I love this mechanism. I don't want Wolvden stuff here. I am happy that our concerns have been taken in account so much better after 2017 (year that sent me into year long hiatus) and I am sorry that this has been taken in badly. But I personally wanted the same a lot players wanted - the same July characters but maybe different story from the past? Like our king would see to the past in trance or something (note back to November) and would try to fix the story and try to not let the rapist story line from happening? Or something, there is so many good ideas out there!

July has always been one of my most loved events and now I am just confused and sad. I have no idea how this event works, aside the ridiculous idea of spending a lot of shards (=currency) to get beaten up, who is this dragon creature, where are we, why are we here in space, when? No intro, no nothing. So much wasted time (we really appreciate this, but this is just weird result sorry) from production team for stuff people don't like for very valid reasons. I would have loved to see test team or test something to see our reaction for this stuff before it happened.

I don't want to spend Carrion Beetles to get Dry Bones. I don't want to spend Blood Beetles to get Feathers/Scales. This concept is ridiculous and I am scared to do anything. I won't do anything and just hope to get even one app from Menhit. I was excited to get the rapist story line rehauled, but I didn't except for everything to be swiped away after all these lovely years.

I have been active player since 2015. I am happy with the direction staff/player communication has been going on for since 2018 but this just pushed so many players back. I am happy about the work the staff do, I really am, but for the real money I have put here I would want to have event I don't have to prioritize one currency and event part over another.

Very small chance at the new base or guaranteed one base/marking applicator from Menhit? To try for mysterious new event prize and maybe lose everything or one guaranteed applicator?




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Edited on 08/07/21 @ 12:11:36 by 🍁 Paipa | G3 Full BO/RMA (#98498)

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Posted on
2021-07-08 12:03:41
My main lion’s whole lore was literally based off of this event. And now no one will even remember who Apedemak or Menhit was.
This was one of my favorite events, even if the mechanics weren’t great. July and October were always my favorite two. The characters were so close to me and I enjoyed getting to know them through their stories.

No offense but this new dragon fighting in space is the least lion-essce thing for a lion game ever. At least the last July event incorporated African themes into its storyline. This new July event is beautiful but not Lioden at all.

I’m happy to see it’s not just me who feels this way. I am grateful our player base is standing up and expressing themselves.
Being menhit back! Bring Apollyon back! Bring back our beloved characters!



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Edited on 08/07/21 @ 12:58:00 by Harley Quinn (#20915)

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2021-07-08 12:07:51
Totally agree. I lost interest in Wolvden because of the lunar event mechanic. Now you practically have to invest double time into lioden - you need to explore to get MS and then you need to explore and PAY those MS to get Axiom Cores.
And even worse: Through the storyline you got sooo many MS and these are missing now...

And the battles are not amusing- I miss more often than I hit, and in 2 explore bars I have defeated maybe every 4th to 6th enemy.

And of course: space dragons? This doesn't make a little bit sense and isn't connected to lioden or africa in any way?



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Deixis🐁 (#184153)

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2021-07-08 12:49:48

I was thinking a tweak where Apedemak still wants Skyward, but he's intent on having her wed to the king of another kingdom in the stars, another star lion. This is both for keeping his line "clean" but also for political reasons. Menhit loves a sun lion, so it's still putting a wrench in both plans and also "screw those weak sun guys". A sun is just one star, not an entire community of them. Cue drama, you can let the kids hook up or have a "dad knows best" scenario where she joins the two star prides.

Teffie can still become kill if you wanna keep the temple around; we know from the June event that going back in time/different timelines are a thing.



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Edited on 08/07/21 @ 12:50:23 by Deixis🐁 (#184153)

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2021-07-08 12:52:15
Deixis🐁 (#184153)

This.

They literally just had to retcon. They just had to start from the beginning. I don't think anyone wanted them to throw the whole event and all the characters out because one of them sucked. It's a shame and a total waste of potential



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