Posted by OVERHAUL: Raffle/Special Lionesses (200+!!)

Verridith [g1
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2021-10-09 17:14:08
I searched all topics and only came up with one that was vaguely similar, so here we go!

This is a complete and total overhaul of the weekly Raffle/Special Lionesses! I'll not only be putting in my own ideas, but I'll link associated suggestions as well.

Please note that anything listed SUGGESTION is from other players and while to be taken into consideration, they are things I may not necessarily agree with 100%! However, they'll be added for the admins to think about regardless. ^^

An Overview


For a long time now, I've thought that RLs were... lacking. A good many of them look very similar to one another, and there's always been a touch of drama around them, especially when they introduce completely new bases, markings or marking slots. Sometimes, RLs go to inactive accounts - sometimes, they go to accounts that don't spread the markings/base/etc, for whatever reason they may have. Which is fine, to some extent! The RL is theirs to do with what they will.

I've also found some of the designs to be same-y and lackluster. Special lionesses are supposed to be unique, rare, and - as the name suggests - special! I understand that a lot of folks like natural markings and natural looks, and that's okay! But with the way things are, the number of RLs that look almost identical in golds and creams is outweighing those that look more unique.

So! I want to create an overhauled RL system that caters to everyone, and completely avoids the sour tastes that a lot of folks get. It will address not only the method of spreading marks, skins, eyes, bases, etc etc more freely, but also give some ideas on how to make more unique-looking RLs alongside natural ones, and keep the drama out for good!

Weekly Raffle Lionesses: Number of RLs


Inspired by this topic and this topic, I suggest we up the number of Raffle Lionesses from three to five a week in addition to further changes noted below. One a week serving a community of hundreds of thousands of members is growing too much to deal with; especially with brand-new colors in brand-new slots! It may take months or years for a marking to spread if something that doesn't have that mark never gets kinged.

I suggest one of these RLs stay natural; creams and golds, blended markings, low opacities. One should be bolder and brighter, with non-natural colors and markings. They should however SHARE the trait or traits we want to spread; the new-slot or new-color markings, bases, skin/eye color, etc. Everything else about them should be different. More on that below.

SUGGESTION BY WHALES0NG: And perhaps only one RL per week could be entered for per account, so that it evens things out a little? :o

SUGGESTION BY WHALES0NG: how about two per week, where players can choose which one to attempt to impress, or alternating between one and two each week?

Weekly Raffle Lionesses: Appearances


RLs are meant to be unique, unlike any other lion on the site; truly special! However, one thing I've noticed is that - in recent years, RLs have very very few (if any) markings that are not BO. Raffle and event marks are great, but there are only so many of them, and there's only so much you can do with them to make a design truly look interesting and unique, without copying what's come before.

I suggest opening up RLs to more types of markings, as well as eyes and skin! Perhaps set a limit on 5 BO markings, and have the rest be whatever suits the design most. More BO markings can be added, AS LONG AS they contribute to the design being unique, especially when we get more BO marking shapes! Focus more on the overall aesthetic of the lion, and less on how much value it may carry! Do not be afraid to use Tier 0/1, piety, or RMA marks if it adds to the appeal of the RL's appearance.

For having three or more RLs a week with at least one rare/semi-rare, or new marking/base/eye/skin color, these RLs should share at LEAST one rare trait among them. However, everything else should go into making the design unique and stand out among at least three different 'types' of RL:

- natural colors and blendy markings; reds, creams, golds, whites, low opacities.

- bolder colors and markings, higher opacities; non-natural traits

- any others - from #3 to #5 - should be wildcards! could be either or, or a median.

As long as there's one for both usual categories RLs commonly fall into, I'm sure all parts of the community will have something to enjoy.

SUGGESTION FROM VERA: (not exact wording! but the suggestion is Vera's!) Use MORE bases. Current numbers: in this google doc. Could use more variety, and use little-seen raffle/combo/etc bases more, AS LONG AS the variety is balanced.

Weekly Raffle Lionesses: Designers


Currently, I believe there is only one person doing RL designs. The designs are usually very good! But as I stated before, there's only so much one person can do. Should RLs be expanded to three, four, or five a week, I suggest one of the following methods be taken to cope with the increase in design, and add a little more variety between designs:

- bring in two or three alt designers a month from trusted individuals either from the userbase that mods can vouch for, or from mods themselves who are known to be good designers (please do not choose the ones that designed the maneaters this year I beg you)

- perhaps have a staff board who goes over submitted designs and suggest tweaks before release

SUGGESTION FROM AGGY:
- reopen player submissions BUT ONLY anonymous submissions through modbox

- if player designs are reopened, allow for tweaking to occur based on staff oversight to make sure a design not only fits the requirements, but can also be used in a way to refine them enough so that one single person cannot throw hands over a design they made that they didn't get

- IF player designs are reopened, be very heavy-handed in banning over RL harassment; a zero tolerance policy must be upheld

Weekly Raffle STUDS


Inspired by this topic, but a new take on the idea similar to Wolvden's raffle studs!

A single stud either once a week, or once a month, with a minimum of TWO rare/semi-rare BO marking, base, or trait and a maximum of THREE to promote spread.

These are fully designed, with other markings that are generally tier 0 or tier 1, but can also be rarely piety or other tier 3, maybe tier 6. Bases would likely be uncommon or rare unless one of the traits is a BO or event base! These studs can have anywhere from 3 extra (non-BO) to 9 extra (non-BO) markings on them, whatever fits the design. NO ROSETTES. However, this is NOT to be a way to introduce new markings, only spread failing BO markings or other rare traits!

Each member can breed one lioness to this stud, guaranteed on the first try. However, like event studs, they cannot have items used on them - and so actually passing whatever rare traits they have is completely up to RNG.

Another, very optional idea: raffle studs are open to all players regardless of impression! Prices are discussed below.

The rare traits on these studs can work in tandem with the RLs of the week, be based on weeks prior, or past RLs that have since had markings or other traits die with them. They could even be month-themed. Lots of fun to be had with those designs!

Here is an example of a fully designed raffle stud; two BO marks (though I didn't check slots just for this example), and the rest common/piety marks that fit the design!

SUGGESTION BY BILBY:
I'd honestly bump the range to 5-8 BO traits, if it's including the potential for base/traits; the bar for "I'd spend currency to breed to it" is 2-3 traits between eyes/skin/mane/colour/base (uncommon/rare/maybe an extremely struggling special like pearl?) and 3 bo marks?

^ For the admins' consideration, in case my suggestion isn't taken!

SUGGESTION BY BAPHOMET:
It should be similar to the August Maneaters, no breeding items allowed. The only way to bypass that is with a DU that has already been bred with a buffie in the past. So there is no grantee you get the eye color, skin color, and a certain marking with the use of a gnawrock. It should purely be a RNG chance.

It should happen ONCE every month and replace the week's RL, meaning no RL that week and the stud will replace her for the week. I feel like it would be a little breaking to have a RL stud and a RL the same week. I really do like the idea of having a RL stud but the fee for studding should be a little higher than normal but not too high where players have to struggle to get the currency since the idea is to make the markings more widespread. Instead of currency, could get monkey teeth another use. I believe 100 monkey teeth would be a good fee, doing the hard quest every day for 15 days would grant just enough monkey teeth for the stud fee. I feel like monkey teeth would be a way to make sure the markings don't go to inactive players, it requires players to roll at least 15 days out of the month. Currency is somewhat easy to get and you can pause your rollovers and still collect currency.


Raffle-Entry Pricing


This is a suggestion inspired by Dalton!

Instead of 50SB flat, one way to change up the way special lionesses are raffled off is to have each ask for a different price. One may ask for ten cubs under a year old; another may ask for 10 uses of a toy or food. Perhaps two or three cave building materials, or one of those super-common patrol or explore decors. 50SB could pop up time to time, as well! Nothing too extravagant, but make it a little more varied to dive into! All of the RLs should have differing things to ask,

These could have neat flavor texts as well - perhaps the one looking for cubs is a mother who lost hers, and the one who needs skulls collects them. Maybe the one needing cave materials is building a den for her sister! Lots of potential here.

Raffle Lioness/Lion Lore


Stemming off of the idea of flavor text, I LOVE the idea Wolvden had where the raffle stud wolves come from their own specific place. This is completely optional and only for story things, but there could be a bit of info about the pride they come from, where they live, the lives they left behind. Wouldn't need to create a whole fake pride account, but a few blurbs here and there one can cycle through saying a bit on what kind of life the RL had before.

Weekly Raffle Lioness Drawing


There are many, many RLs that end up going to accounts that log in, join the raffle, and never log in again. The number of special lionesses sitting on inactive accounts is enough to make a grown man cry! Therefore, I suggest the following restrictions to how RLs are drawn and given out to give much better chances on them landing on active accounts:

- if an RL is drawn, it must go to an account that has rolled the day before drawing, and that account must roll the day after the draw as well, so that there is much less of a chance for it to go to an inactive account

- if the account fails both of these, the RL either skips it or is redrawn

- I suggest ending the RL raffles on Thursday instead of Friday for this reason, so that it has a chance to find a proper account before it's announced on the news post

While this isn't foolproof - as there's no real way of ABSOLUTELY and completely avoiding RLs sitting on inactive accounts - it might up the chances of a special lioness with great traits going to folks who will help spread her markings/base/etc instead of allowing a particular new or rare trait to stagnate and die.

SUGGESTION BY TERRINTHIA: I feel like a day is too short tbh, as much as I hate seeing them go into inactive accounts. Probably a week of not rolling would be the lowest I could really agree with.

SUGGESTION BY WHALES0NG: A possible solution for the inactive accounts issue could be some sort of acceptance system, perhaps? Say a winner has 72 hours to roll and press a button to accept their RL before the drawing is re-rolled and passed to the next person drawn, like how it is done if a winner has no free territory to accept her. There would definitely have to be no way for the first winner to know that they’d originally drawn and missed their chance, though, again just like the full territory issue.

RELATED SUGGESTION: here!

The End!


That's all, folks! If you read through this whole rambling thing, you get a virtual medal! Please leave your thoughts and opinions below, and make sure to comment along with your vote!



This suggestion has 262 supports and 61 NO supports.



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Edited on 20/01/23 @ 18:56:02 by Verridith [g1 stellar/charred] (#407)

Verridith [g1
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Posted on
2022-02-04 11:24:55
Added a suggestion by Vera!

Thanks, Before and Pine! I'm not going to add these in because I believe they're already addressed, but the support is appreciated!

Before: Fodder cubs actually are pretty easy to come by! I was buying out trades of cubs for 5sb all the time, and caught several for 1sb quite frequently. Plus, grabbing a handful of NCLs and breeding them wouldn't be too much of an issue, I think. Lots of ways to accomplish the 10 cubs thing!

Pine: Unfortunately, I'll have to disagree with you there! I'd like to see RLs become less insanely valuable, less intensive, and make the whole system a little easier for the normie player to get into. If y'all want full BO lions, projects can be made! Gives more incentive for breeding full-BO lions anyways, I think. xD



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2022-02-04 11:40:16
Oh yeah that's fine! Just added my input ^u^ i suppose we have our different thoughts on the matter haha



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Satan (#235038)

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2022-02-08 20:58:37
I think there should also be an option to remain anonymous when giving the 50sb fee to try an obtain the raffle lioness as I’ve seen too many players be pressured into selling heats for cheap or in the end bullied off the site because of players trying to take advantage of them. If there is a way to try and remain anonymous then it would save possible harassment in the future as I’m well aware people are pestered to give up heats and clones of their raffle lioness and there is at this moment in time no way to avoid this. Even if the raffle lioness in question has brand new eyes, marks or bases there should be an option to remain anonymous for their own sanity.



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2022-02-08 21:02:43
except for the inactive account fix I don’t see anything else here I really agree with. Raffle lionesses are fine the way they are. They’re supposed to be rare and hard to get.



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Verridith [g1
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2022-02-08 21:17:46
Satan- that's a really cool idea, but I'm not sure if it could be conceivably done; unfortunately, finding the RL would be as easy as plugging in a handful of her attributes in search and it'd lead you right to her! ):

Ten- Sorry to hear that! ^^



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Verridith [g1
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2022-04-15 18:19:16
I wanted to try some RL designs that share a few rare (or new) slot marks, bases, eyes and skin but differ in overall design, and fit the criteria I've listed here. This is what I came up with! Keep in mind I only looked at rarities for their shared BO marks and am keeping them under 5 BO/raffle marks. Cheers!

Example 1!


BOLD:
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MEDIAN:
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BLENDED/MORE NATURAL:
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all share Fulvous base, Iris eyes, Pale skin, and these three marks:
s1 Ginger Freckles
s5 Feline 9 Fiery
s9 Shell Inverted Zebra


Example 2!


BOLD:
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MEDIAN:
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BLENDED/MORE NATURAL:
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all share Prune base, Mire eyes, Peach skin and these four marks (+ 2 rosettes because I didn't want to give one a rosette and leave the others off LOL):
s1 Ukame Marble
s2 Scoria Indri
s3 Bandit Unders
s8 Feline 8 Fiery


Example 3!


BOLD:
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MEDIAN:
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BLENDED/MORE NATURAL:
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all share Cloudburst base, Cosmic eyes, Griege skin and these four marks:
s4 Feline 9 Silver
s7 Cimmerian Rogue
s9 Lilac Siamese
s10 Cimmerian Panther



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2022-11-06 04:13:35
Totally agree, however, the "inactive accounts" thing makes me ponder. We do need a solution for that.

RL is indeed meant to be rare, Millie, however many people agree there is a problem with raffle lionesses. They're typically only gold/cream, or blue. I think they should open back up the submissions for designs! Maybe we can make it so everyone votes? What if you also had to have been playing for 6 months, to make sure people understand markings a bit more. What could possibly happen to avoid people throwing hands because their design won but they didn't get the RL, is that the final RL designs are a mixture of a few top-winners? Idk. I just know THESE RLS SUCK ASS.



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2022-11-06 04:15:58
Maybe lion lore could also be linked to certain storylines/events? Idk, but sounds cool.



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Verridith [g1
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2022-11-18 06:09:36
Ohh RL story blurbs linked to the monthly events could be really neat!



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Fern [side] (#163971)

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2023-07-15 11:37:41
Bringing this back up because when I originally commented in late 2021, I mentioned how 1 lioness per week wasn't enough for nearly 250k users. Since then, new user registrations have absolutely skyrocketed compared to past years, and now in mid 2023 the site now has nearly 450k users! I remember when most RLs would get around 1k-2k entries on an average week -- now it's often closer to 8k-10k! There's much more general interest in breeding RLCs and raffle-exclusive traits, too, compared to when it used to be a niche playstyle. So improvements to the system are needed now more than ever.

Recently with more talk of the eventual re-code and other future plans, I really wish the devs would at least acknowledge the concerns people have brought up wrt raffle lionesses and raffle trait distribution. Many possible solutions have been discussed/debated on the forums for years, but unlike some other common topics like the explore rehaul and male poses, we have no idea if anything relating to it is in the works or even being considered at all



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