Posted by Unwanted overflow cubs and what to do with them
WitchWolf (#5939)

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2013-05-29 06:03:16
Well, we're all seeing what's been going on lately - The game is way overflooded with excess cubs that are getting cheaper by teh dozen and in the end, only clutter the game for no good reason at all.

Now, on one hand, there are those players who are complaining their custom studs' cubs can't sell for big buck any more. Personally, I don't care - this is not a lion selling game so... tough luck.

On the other hand are those who, like me, would like to push for realism and would like to see the overflow of breedings and excess cubs done away with for those reasons alone. Those in the 'selling camp' can jsut as well tell the 'realistic' camp the same thing - Tough luck.

And then, of course, are those players who jsut like to take a few relaxing moments to look at some pretty lions and produce even more pretty lions because that's the way they like it. And no one should dictate to anyone else how to "properly" play their game - whatever amuses you the most is perfectly fine, right?

All that said, we do have one big common problem with excess cubs on here. People can't sell them, others are forced to chase away even when they don't want to. market is out of wack (since cubs are, for now, the only thing we're really actively tradign with one another) and subsequently, so is the overall economy.

Of course, you can always chase the cubs away and many people on here do exactly that. Some others don't, however and others yet are overflowing the market with low-end cubs, even giving them away for free because they jsut don't want to chase the cute little furballs away for purely sentimental reasons.


So, what to do to make all of us happy here - those who love studding their lions out cheaply, those who'd like to see only 'worthy' cubs on the market, those who'd like to force the prices up (or further down) again...?

Well, one thing that could go long ways to achieve that would be to create a way to sell the excess cubs directly to the game itself. Please bear with me while I expand the concept further:

Create a "cubs game store" and call it something like... "Lion Conservation Project" for example. If you can't sell a cub to other players and don't want to chase them away, your third alternative is to sell the cub to the "Conservation Range" instead.

Now, the symbolic fee you'd recieve for doing that should not be something big - Don't expect to sell the cublet for 500 SBs or 5 GBs or something. What you would be doing is a bit of a charity service there - you'd donate the cubs to a project dedicated to preserving and conserving the species, a project that would later on use those cubs or theri offspring to reintroduce the lions back in the areas in which they got extinct.
...Or whatever other suitable blurb suits you. I'm a biologist, so I like this one best. :P

However, not all cubs are really worth teh same, are they now? Someone would 'donate' a high statted cub and someone else a very low-statted one and they both get the same symbolic payment for them? Not fair. Or how about the difference between custom and non-custom lions, numbers of markings... everything?

Well, we'd calculate the payment you recieve based on several factors:

If you donate a high-stat cub, you'd get more than for donating a low-end one.

Far as the blurb goes, let's say that you just donated a healthy, strong new individual that is almost certain to survive to reproduce and create healthy offspring in turn. Good for you! You just made a huge difference in lion conservation project!

However, what if you donate a low-stat but high-markign or custom-coloured cub instead? Again, you'd recieve more than for donating the low-marking or wild-coloured one.

And the blurb for that would say that you have just introduced some very fresh and very valubale new blood to the overall gene pool. We all know (I hope) that one of the biggest problems in conservation is the extremely depeleted gene pools of the endangered species that we start from and therefore, donating 'fresh blood' (in other words custom colours/markings and so on) should be valubale in their own rights.


Small clarification here:
Since it has been pointed out in enough many comments that the idea of a lion intentionally giving cubs to humans is highly unrealistic, let me explain it a bit better. What the blurb would say would be something along the lines of "Humans came and picked out some cubs". What would actually happen game-mechanics-wise is that you, the player, would pick which cubs to donate.

I did not want to put the blurb first because people might get the wrong idea that I'm suggesting random cubs be taken from their dens without their input or agreement.


What do I hope to accomplish with this? For one, give some sort of a "drainage" route for the excess cublets on here. With this feature in place, many players would opt to donate the cubs there rather than go through a hassle of tryig to sell them or give them away. That would automatically mean far less clogging of the market and that, in turn, might give the prices a chance to stabilize in a more reasonable manner.

Finally, it could provide a small starting income for the new players - not much, but at least something. And also, a way to make those who just love breeding a chance to play the way they like palying without creating some huge disbalances in the process.


edit
I crunched some numbers for the "Conservation Center" now:

plain coat: 3SB
custom coat: 5SB
stats: 1 SB per 2 stats over 35 (rounded down)
:markings 4SB per marking (regardless of opacity)

Just to give you a rough idea of how that would work:

"Best" case scenario:

Custom-coloured, 10-marking cub with 100 stats:

5 (custom coat) + 15 (stats) + 40 (10 markings) = 60 SB

"Worst" case scenario:

Wild-coloured, 0-3 markings cub with under 30 stats:

3 (wild coat) + 0 (stats) + 0-12 (markings) = 3-15 SB

I'd say the prices are nicely evened-out; you'd be getting a really token payment for a very valubale cub and you'd get just enough to play a few Cups or glance at a Scrying Stone for a sub-par one.

Because the whole idea is to provide a way to do away with the excess cubs, not to provide a way to make tons of SBs.


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idea by Nephala [TCC] (#11886):
"Addition to the conservation to get people tossing cubs there instead of the TC would be a yearly reward from the "breeding stock," in the conservation sent on your birthday or a certain day of the year if you have donated enough cubs to the conservation. I'd think the "prize" could be anything from high stat lionesses to custom colored ladies."

alternate suggestion by Lynx (Raion) (#1885):
And maybe instead of custom ladies the prize could be gb for "highest donator for the year" so that no one can say "that wouldn't be fair for the people who buy/work hard for gb" or something along the lines since it would happen once a year.. And maybe have a certain amount of winners?


addition by muttduck (#78):
NONE of them [NCLs] should be in heat when claimed.

---while this does not pertain to the idea directly, it still deals with the overflow cublets problem and thus I added it in.
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This, of course, is just rough bone frame of an idea. Developing it further - how to determine the payments recieved to make them both reasonable and balanced above all needs some further tought. And since I'd rather not sit and ponder it all on my ownsies, I'm putting this up for discussion to see what others might come up with along these lines.

I'll make few suggestions to start it off:

---We could have a leaderboard for the "most cubs donated" or "most healthy cubs doanted" or "most genetically diverse cubs donated"

---We could have something like... badges or fame or however you choose to call it - a third in-game currency of sorts that, if you gain enough of it, would give you access to some special perks or something. Yes, yes, this would mean making a whole new "badge" or "fame" thing beforehand but... it's an idea at least.

And now I'd like to swim in a flood of yours! :P




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Edited on 07/06/13 by WitchWolf (#5939)

muttduck (#78)

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2013-06-03 22:11:28
I support this idea.

Cubs with over 100 stats have to be chased, lately. Cubs with outstanding colors/markings have to be chased lately... just to help prevent the flooding in the sales.
If more people would chase cubs off, instead of flooding the market, prices may stabilize - problem is, no one is willing to chase something if they think they can get SBs for it (even if they never will).

The server will soon be bogged with piles of unwanted cubs under 2. A place to drop them off early on will help prevent cub-sludge from slowing the server, as well as helping to stabilize the economy.

I also agree that NCLs should have a longer breeding wait, and that NONE of them should be in heat when claimed. Females that are bred, should need to wait until sometime after 3 for their first heat cycle. That would help encourage the leveling up of the lionesses before breeding.



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Edited on 04/06/13 by muttduck (#78)

WitchWolf (#5939)

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2013-06-03 23:26:18
Although it does not exactly have much to do with my original idea, I will add the "no NCLs caught in heat" to the main post later today.

Personally, I am not concerned about the market that much - my cublets sell and if they don't, I either gift them to new players when they're close to the age of 2 (because a 100+ stat starting lioness is much better than any NCLs they might catch) or chase them off.

I'll admit that even I have a problem with chasing some cubs away, mostly because of their stats but sometimes also becuase of their looks. A damn shame to let good cubs go to waste in the first case, and I'm sometimes sentimental like that in the second.

While "Conservation Center" would technically mean the deletion of the cubs from the system (or, alternatively, saved as templates for future NCLs), it would still be a bit better option for many of us on purely... well, sentimental grounds I guess.



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Edited on 08/06/13 by WitchWolf (#5939)

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2013-06-07 06:53:00
@nephala
That's a brilliant idea, and maybe instead of custom ladies the prize could be gb for "highest donator for the year" so that no one can say "that wouldn't be fair for the people who buy/work hard for gb" or something along the lines since it would happen once a year.. And maybe have a certain amount of winners?

It would give people a goal ;)



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Lady Lannister (#1894)

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2013-06-08 08:43:10
I support the OP and all the ideas edited in,very nice all the way around



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Insipid Princess (#10162)

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2013-06-08 15:19:14
wild npc pack of lions should take in cubs from the player in exchange for a little SBs

idk if thats been suggested but after reading a bit of OP i can't read anymore

peace <3

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Equestrian (Asmita
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Posted on
2013-06-08 15:26:50
Support!!!!



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Romantiik (#13279)

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2013-06-10 02:47:21
Support.



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Illynx (#11886)

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2013-06-10 03:57:00
@Lynx
:O I like the GB idea for any lion who manages to have a slot in the leader board at a certain point every year, actually. Added benefit to having a lion on there other than some "I'm Awesome" points. xD

I just think it would be nice to have a reward for it. Because if not, I see a lot of people (mostly those who attached to their pixel kitties) still ignoring the option to sell to a conservation and continuing to flood the TC. It also makes you feel less bad about dumping a nice cub you couldn't sell in there because you know you're going to get something back for it, even if it's just a free lioness that is uber pretty. x3



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Chelsea P (#10081)

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2013-06-12 02:40:03
i like the idea as well. but in reality when you "donate" something you dont get money for it..... so maybe instead of the word donate, it could be selling lol



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Maddi(side) (#12202)

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2013-06-12 02:54:01
I honestly think that, there should be a "cap" on breeding maybe instead of just always being able to breed.
You have a 50/50 chance of the lioness getting pregnant. So, far. If there is such a thing. I've never encountered it. Instead of just allowing the lionesses to just be in heat and waiting to be bred, it should have them go out of heat in a day if they don't breed the girls by a certain time that day.

For those paying to breed with a stud, I say if the breeding fails they get 50% of the SB they paid back just because they did fail and did not become pregnant.

Not sure if this is a good idea or not, I'm sure some of the idea's could be smoothed out around the edges so to speak. But, it would defiantly help with the overflow of cubs in the game.



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2013-06-12 03:16:10
I love this idea(:



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Celebi (#13049)

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2013-06-12 09:54:05
This is a super ingenious way of clearing the clutter. This will be so helpful in the future. This should really be done, and it would seriously help the overall game. Thank you for thinking of this!
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WitchWolf (#5939)

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2013-06-12 10:26:03
Thank you all for the support! :D

I'd now also like more input about Nephala's idea as well as Lynx' and muttduck's.

Personally, I'm not sure about geting a lioness for the donations, but the GB idea sounds good. And before anyone starts crying about game going broke - we are talking 1 GB per year or so.

Also, the potential "badge" or whatever system? Special items or perks for gathering enough of those perhaps?



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Golden Girl (#14752)

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2013-06-22 16:21:56
I like this a lot! I see what you mean by the price of even really nice cubs plummeting.

even if you don`t want this to be as game centered around breeding, the income i needed to expand territory and to buy emergency food or decorations (if you are into that sort of thing)



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maulsmonkey [Asmita] (#14118)

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2013-06-24 14:00:15
Support! As for realism, the Trading Center shows a pic of two male lions trading cubs... So if prides can trade between themselves then I think lions can decide to give their cubs to humans. I'm on the fence about getting SB for your donation (not sure why... maybe it is because the word "donation" makes me think that this is something you want to do to better the population not just get SB) but I LOVE the idea of getting badges or donation points that can be used to get maybe special decorations or to trade in for SB?

I also like the idea of having lions with a set amount of stud services. That is already built into lionesses with their life span only 15 years and breeding cooldown and all that. I think people just need to put more thought into their breeding programs.



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