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| Posted by | Cracking The Rosette Code? |
 🌾 faerie {lethal lover} (#112180) 
View Forum Posts  Posted on 2017-05-24 15:44:52 |
According to the Wiki, "Rosettes seem to be the most popular marking on Lioden currently, due to the mysterious nature of how they're passed on, and the fact that they can randomly pop up in any breeding. There are tons of user theories and conspiracies floating around regarding how Rosette works, but nobody truly knows—the code has yet to be cracked." This could be taken to imply that they are truly random ("the fact that they can randomly pop up in any breeding"), but it can also imply that there is, in fact, a code ("the code has yet to be cracked"). ----- Exhibit A: Cream Rosette Mother was chased, but had the following: Base: Cream (White Nose) Mane Type: Normal Mane Color: Brown Eye Color: Grey Slot 1: Onyx Ripple Slot 2: Chocolate Top Slot 6: Feline 7 Black Dad had the following: Base: Silver Grey (White Nose) Mane Type: Sideburn Mane Color: Lilac Eye Color: Lavender Slot 1: Feline 1 Dark Brown Slot 2: White Tips Slot 3: Feline 2 Onyx Slot 4: Feline 6 Onyx Slot 5: Feline 4 Onyx Slot 6: Feline 1 Onyx Slot 8: White Undercoat Slot 9: Feline 3 Onyx Slot 10: Onyx Lace ----- Exhibit B: Gold Rosette Mom had the following: Base: Dark Vanilla (Fallow Nose) Mane Type: Diabolic Mane Color: Lilac Eye Color: Pink Slot 1: Brown Mask Slot 4: Feline 6 Dark Brown Slot 5: Feline 4 Onyx Dad had the following: Base: Blush Rose (White Nose) Mane Type: Diabolic Mane Color: Manakbir Eye Color: Peach Slot 1: Feline 7 Ginger Slot 2: Feline 1 Black Slot 3: Rose Pelage Slot 4: Maroon Pelage Slot 5: Onyx Lace Slot 6: Feline 4 Silver Slot 7: Feline 2 Ginger Slot 8: White Panther Slot 9: Under White 4 Slot 10: Feline 3 Onyx ----- Exhibit C: Brown Rosette Mom had the following: Base: Dun (White Nose) Mane Type: Tsavo Mane Color: Maroon Eye Color: White Slot 1: White Cobweb Slot 6: Vitiligo 3 Slot 7: Vitiligo 2 Slot 9: Vitiligo 4 Dad had the Following: Base: Onyx (Brown Nose) Mane Type: Savage Mane Color: Unholy Eye Color: Saffron Slot 4: Feline 6 Onyx Slot 5: Feline 2 Onyx Slot 6: Feline 1 Onyx Slot 7: Feline 7 Onyx Slot 8: Feline 5 Onyx Slot 9: Feline 3 Onyx Slot 10: Feline 4 Onyx Do you see a pattern? I do. Every. Single. Father. Has. At. Least. One. Feline. Marking. See it? Maybe parents with Feline markings produce rosettes, but it's rare. Credit: Empress Tansy (#54105)  3 players like this post! Like? Edited on 02/09/18 @ 10:03:23 by starfruit [with a lowercase s] (#112180) |
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tomi 🐟 (#89673)
Heartless View Forum Posts Posted on 2017-07-29 20:46:51 |
I had a cub with a father that had no feline marking and she's a cream rosette. its probably because her father had cream rosette. 0 players like this post! Like? |
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Oops! All Genders! (#36227)
Impeccable View Forum Posts Posted on 2017-09-15 17:35:03 |
The theory I've had for a while is that Rosette comes from cat-related markings. I have an Inverted Rosette Silky whose mother has: Slot 1: Brown Rosette (31%) [Just realized this???] Slot 3: Darken Onyx (100%) Slot 4: Onyx Half (79%) Slot 5: Cream Blaze (89%) Slot 6: Dark Brown Points (85%) Slot 8: Black Marozi (29%) Slot 9: White Luster (94%) Slot 10: Onyx Puma (78%) And whose father is my king. I can't remember exactly who my Brown Rosette's mother is, but I know she (and my king) had one thing: Puma. Puma is obviously based off of the mountain lion/cougar/puma. Feline is, obviously, feline-based markings. Lace is basically inverted panther, a marking based off of leopards. Rosette is named for and based off of markings by the same name on leopards/jaguars. 0 players like this post! Like? |
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Tamber (#128650)
Deathlord of the Jungle View Forum Posts Posted on 2017-10-20 20:01:00 |
Let's say the grandfather of lion X has a feline gene, but the grandmother doesn't, and their offspring (lion X's mother) also doesn't because the feline gene is recessive instead of dominant. However, the mother carries the feline gene cause of the father's feline gene. Lion X's father's parents have a similar situation, so Lion X's father also carries the same feline gene, and because of this they have a chance to have a feline child— but instead of a feline gene, it becomes rosette instead. Maybe the rosette gene is a variation of one of the feline genes? Like mackerel/classic tabbies in cats? I mean, they look nothing alike, but it's all I can come up with. 0 players like this post! Like? |
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JAX • 3.12.21 9/15 | 13/15 BO (#98288)
Bone Collector View Forum Posts Posted on 2017-10-21 19:52:25 |
Feline is fairly prevalent mark, so i think it's all coincidental. My boy had an inverted rosette with a NCL and neither of them have feline 0 players like this post! Like? |
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Miss-Riah (#49414)
King of the Jungle View Forum Posts Posted on 2017-10-21 19:55:00 |
This thread is kinda old, but there are 174 comments worth of people trying to crack the code. XD I don't know that they ever really figured it out, but I thought it might aid you in your research! 0 players like this post! Like? |
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Mots - RP Loved🏒 (#5378)
King of the Jungle View Forum Posts Posted on 2017-10-21 20:02:13 |
I'm still trying to figure out the code. Maybe Nimravus has something to do with it also? My king sired an inverted rosette, but he has cheetah and red Nimravus. And the mom has no rosette either, she has red nimravus like my king. The cub didn't inherit either nimravus but has the cheetah spots and the mysterious inverted rosette. This is the rosette in question. Clicky 0 players like this post! Like? |
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JAX • 3.12.21 9/15 | 13/15 BO (#98288)
Bone Collector View Forum Posts Posted on 2017-10-21 20:07:20 |
Honestly? I think the Wiki gives it away. Any two pairings can give a rosette, just like any two pairings could give a mutie. Certain criteria make it more like; same thing with muties (those criteria being VLFs, certain items, ect). I believe Xylax said something along the lines of it being coded similarly to how mutants were some time ago. 0 players like this post! Like? |
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Oops! All Genders! (#36227)
Impeccable View Forum Posts Posted on 2017-10-21 21:25:52 |
Those all fit my felidae-marking theory. Jaxter's lion's father has both Brown Puma and Ivory lace. Mot's lion's mother and father have Red Nimravus (based off of the extinct Nimravus cat) and the father also has Onyx Cheetah Heavy. 0 players like this post! Like? |
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Moxi (#130995)
King of the Jungle View Forum Posts Posted on 2018-03-06 12:17:41 |
Got a slot 10 cream rosette from Father: Supernal Base Slot 1: Brown Cover (34%) Slot 2: Henna Cowl (56%) Slot 3: Leg Spotting Fading Gold (45%) Slot 4: White Inverted Brindle (89%) Slot 5: Black Back Hair (59%) Slot 6: Red Lace (100%) Mother: Chocolate Base Slot 10: Cherry Glaze (65%) Both parents are completely heritageless. Rolled king and February NCL 0 players like this post! Like? |
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Oops! All Genders! (#36227)
Impeccable View Forum Posts Posted on 2018-03-06 14:29:13 |
Leg spotting is vaguely feline and lace is an inverse of the very-feline panther. It fits my feline marking theory. 0 players like this post! Like? |
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Bezthiel 🍉 (#81210)
Lone Wanderer View Forum Posts Posted on 2018-03-06 14:36:42 |
Just popping in to say that my king managed to sire a couple inverted rosette saffrons. Once before his replacement with this boy with Clay Panther, and once just recently after - seems to be somewhat connected to his auburn felines. But... on the flip side, my pure Vit king sired onyx rosettes all the time with only Vit 1-7, off of females with only vit markings. I'm pretty sure that rosettes aren't attached just to felid markings, but that they can pop up between any pairing at all and their color and slotting is more influenced by something. 0 players like this post! Like? |
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Talmoi (#16689)
Heartless View Forum Posts Posted on 2018-03-06 14:52:30 |
I have 2 fresh rosettes with alive parents if anyone wants to play with their theories. Inverted Gold and Onyx As for my own theory, which holds true for all my own rosettes, is marking patterns, both these two and all previous rosettes in my pride have come from parents with marking patterns. I do only breed a small selections of markings though so my kings generally have a good deal of onyx/white markings so the oow woo owo patterns are all through my pride. 0 players like this post! Like? |
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Oops! All Genders! (#36227)
Impeccable View Forum Posts Posted on 2018-03-06 18:04:41 |
@Bezthiel - May I see the rosette cubs and your past king?  @Talmoi - Both of those fit my felidae theory! The inv gold's mom has onyx lace and the onyx rose's mom has onyx panther. Their father has inverted cheetah white as well. 0 players like this post! Like? |
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Bezthiel 🍉 (#81210)
Lone Wanderer View Forum Posts Posted on 2018-03-06 18:22:51 |
Unfortunately the onyx rosettes are all long dead, they were cubs of my very first non-rolled king and I delete non-lore kings from my dynasty. Nor do I actually keep rosette cubs (hate the marking, not worth the trouble to breed). This is the inverted rosette girl I recently had born - her link will probably disappear soon, since I plan on chasing her off when she inevitably doesn't sell. https://www.lioden.com/lion.php?id=794115781554 Here's the old guy's link - https://www.lioden.com/dynasty.php?vid=656201782856 It doesn't go anywhere. He was Hematite, Savage-Maroon mane, Vit 1-7, Onyx Vit, and White Hair Band. No non-vit markings; I was trying to breed a 10 vit marked king. 0 players like this post! Like?Edited on 06/03/18 @ 18:27:17 by Bezthiel #ShrikeHoarder (#81210) |
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Bezthiel 🍉 (#81210)
Lone Wanderer View Forum Posts Posted on 2018-03-06 18:29:23 |
Hah! I found his dad though! https://www.lioden.com/dynasty.php?vid=606306743810 Carbon copy of this guy, basically, except a base change. He'd spit out the rare onyx rosette for me too, while I was trying to breed other full vit lions. 0 players like this post! Like? |
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