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2017-09-16 02:31:17
Are you more into mane shapes? Then the Mane Genetics Thread is here for you

Want to check out a particular combo quickly? Use ctrl + f and type its name, or use the "search on site" option if you are using a cellphone :)



Wiki entry about Combo Bases

This began as a way to share theories about possible combinations, but then things got way bigger than expected. A lot of people have invested a lot of currency in the scrying stone to see if we were right about combos, and here is the result :D

But wait... What are combo bases?



When you breed two lions with the right combination of bases, their cubs roll a further, extra chance that can result in a third, new base, a "combo" base. Each combo base has its own requirements, and these bases often ignore the set genetic rules: for example, the Cairngorm combo base (Black Light Solid Special genetics) can be obtained by breeding a Celestial lion (Black Dark Countershaded Special genetics) and a Cocoa lioness (Black Medium Countershaded Rare genetics). Most combo bases can be passed down as long as one parent has it and further requirements are met if there are any, with the exception of Pulsar and Temporal.

*Since the 12th October update, cubs that have triggered the original combo bases - Cairngorm, Citrine, Madagascar or Qahir - have a 50% chance of getting their respective mane color, and these can be inherited like any other mane color!

Right now there are two different types of combo bases: "standard" combos and "factor" combos. Factor ones can be obtined by breeding any of the bases that make up the combo, but standard ones can be obtained by more than one combination of bases that are assembled into two different groups. The combo can trigger as long as the parents have bases that belong to a different combo group (not to be mistaken by the genetic color group).

*Note: While some of the following standard combo tables have been completed, there may be some combinations that remain undiscovered yet.

Standard combos:





Arabica

This base doesn't have additional restrictions. Confirmed bases to breed Arabica by the almighty News:
1st base group2nd base group

  • Black



  • Buttercream

  • Buttermilk






Asiatic

This base doesn't have additional restrictions. Confirmed bases to breed Asiatic by the almighty News:
1st base group2nd base group

  • Dun

  • Gray



  • Cream

  • White






Black Rose

This base doesn't have additional restrictions. Confirmed bases to breed Black Rose by the almighty News:
1st base group2nd base group

  • Cinnabar



  • Jet

  • Obsidian

  • Onyx






Cairngorm

This base doesn't have additional restrictions. Confirmed bases to breed Cairngorm by the almighty News:
1st base group2nd base group

  • Celestial

  • Ice

  • Sidereal

  • Skyward



  • Cocoa

  • Ethereal

  • Pearl

  • Slate






Citrine

This base doesn't have additional restrictions. Confirmed bases to breed Citrine by the almighty Scrying Stone:
1st base group2nd base group

  • Cinnabar

  • Kimanjano

  • Topaz

  • Xanthic



  • Cherry Blossom

  • Fiery

  • Fulvous

  • Sulphur






Cloudburst

This base can only be obtained during wet season; this means the two lions must breed during wet season. Confirmed bases to breed Cloudburst by the almighty Scrying Stone:
1st base group2nd base group

  • Albino



  • Chartreux

  • Korat

  • Maltese






Elysian

This base doesn't have additional restrictions. Confirmed bases to breed Elisyan by the almighty News:
1st base group2nd base group

  • Ice



  • Divine

  • Ebony






Ember

This base doesn't have additional restrictions. Confirmed bases to breed Ember by the almighty News:
1st base group2nd base group

  • Blazing

  • Fiery



  • Flint

  • Pewter






Hellebore

This base doesn't have additional restrictions. Confirmed bases to breed Hellebore by the almighty Scrying Stone:
1st base group2nd base group

  • Lilac



  • Goldenrod

  • Udara






Madagascar

This base doesn't have additional restrictions. Confirmed bases to breed Madagascar by the almighty Scrying Stone:
1st base group2nd base group

  • Sapela

  • Sepia

  • Shedua

  • Unholy



  • Ivory

  • Nacre

  • Sunset

  • Supernal






Nadir

This base doesn't have additional restrictions. Confirmed bases to breed Nadir by the almighty News:
1st base group2nd base group

  • Black Rose

  • Ebony



  • Ardor

  • Hellebore

  • Rhodonite






Pulsar

This base can only be obtained via combo during July, but can be passed down by breeding two Pulsar based lions all year around. Confirmed bases to breed Pulsar by the almighty News:
1st base group2nd base group

  • Arctic



  • Anjeer

  • Blazing

  • Inferno

  • Prune






Qahir

This base doesn't have additional restrictions. Confirmed bases to breed Qahir by the almighty Scrying Stone:
1st base group2nd base group

  • Buff

  • Cameo

  • Hallowed

  • Russet



  • Chartreux

  • Glacial

  • Hematite

  • Opal






Snowflake

This base can only be obtained during wet season; this means the two lions must breed during wet season. Confirmed bases to breed Snowflake by the almighty News:
1st base group2nd base group

  • Albino



  • Arctic

  • Aufeis

  • Frostbitten

  • Glacial

  • Ice






Temporal

This base can only be obtained via combo during October, but can be passed down by breeding two Temporal based lions all year around. Confirmed bases to breed Temporal by the almighty News:
1st base group2nd base group

  • Unholy



  • Bast

  • Sunset




Factor combos:





Gilded

This base doesn't have additional restrictions. Confirmed bases to breed Gilded by the almighty News:
1st base2nd base3rd base

  • Anubis



  • Bast



  • Seth






Olive

This base doesn't have additional restrictions. Confirmed bases to breed Olive by the almighty News:
1st base2nd base

  • Caramel



  • Xanthic






Rose Gold

This base doesn't have additional restrictions. Confirmed bases to breed Rose Gold by the almighty News:
1st base2nd base3rd base

  • Alabaster



  • Sha



  • Velvet






Soul

This base doesn't have additional restrictions. Confirmed bases to breed Soul by the almighty News:
1st base2nd base

  • Ivory



  • Ebony





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Edited on 19/12/19 @ 03:40:35 by Jingle Bere (#84593)

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2017-09-17 01:10:25
It'd fit, but wouldn't they tell if some weren't out, yet? Maybe they're saving it for other bases.

Edit: After taking a peek at the Genetics wiki entry, I think one of these is the one that's left to breed Madagascar: Chartreux, Moonstone, Opal Hematite, Maltese, Cherry Blossom, Buff, Cameo, Hallowed, Nacre, Teardrop, Champagne, Nacarat, Kimanjano, Dinar, Sulphur, Goldenrod, Udara or Maroon. I think some of these fit better with Qahir or Citrine, but I don't want to leave anything out.



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Edited on 17/09/17 @ 03:36:33 by Berenos (#84593)

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2017-09-17 03:50:03
I tried almost all of them, I think only chart/udara/maltese left to test



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2017-09-17 03:53:44
I'm trying scrying Sunset x Nacarat out of desperation xD



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2017-09-17 05:22:10
Now, I'm either very unlucky or the base is just not there. Or I missed a few combos.
Scryed: Unholy x Ashen, opal, maltese, udara, cb, blush rose, teardrop, buff, ebony, moonstone, russet.
Topaz x nacre, moonstone, hallowed, Xanthic, teardrop, sunshine, hematite
Fiery x champagne, buff, dinar, fulvous, goldenrod, kiman, Sulphur



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2017-09-17 05:35:10
But...what do you think about teardrop? c:



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Edited on 17/09/17 @ 05:36:07 by Kangalowa [PFM] (#46997)

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2017-09-17 05:37:29
Let's try to use logic here. For Cairngorm, there was a group of all the same color group as the combo base - Black -, and the other group was made of another Black base, and 3 Cream bases. The 4 Black bases had 3 event-hard-to-breed bases, plus an applicable event base. In the other side, we have one applicable base - Ethereal - plus 3 breed only bases that only need the parents to make up the genetics, nothing more.

What do we have for Madagascar? An entire side of Red bases - one that is hard to breed, breed only and needs a parent to have it so it can pass onto offspring - and other three that are regular special bases. On the other side, one red base - Sunset - that it's event only and needs a parent to have it, then 2 applicable bases, one from March and other from November.

So, what is missing with the side made up from other bases? A regular breed only special base. The ones that haven't been used in other combos are Maltese, Chartreux, Ebony, Flint, Ashen, Cameo, Buff, Amber, Buttercream, Buttermilk, Teardrop, Dinar, Fulvous, Nacarat, Champagne, Udara, Goldenrod, Suphur, Prune, Maroon, Umber and Cinnabar.

Which one seems more likely to you? I'd discard Maltese, Chartreux, Ebony and Flint, they seem too black to me. amber seems for fitting to Qahir, same as Buttercream. Fulvous seems more fitting for Citrine, and Maroon, Umber and Cinnabar would be so unexpected...!



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2017-09-17 05:42:12
Just a note that Buttermilk is now also Oasis customisable o: Teardrop took it's place as a breed only Cream Light Solid.



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2017-09-17 05:58:34
Ivory + Unholy = Madagascar.
Confirmed.



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2017-09-17 06:22:00
Thanks Beata, it was already confirmed but it's nice to see it wasn't a one time dud :D



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2017-09-17 06:33:09
Looks like I'll be spending all my blood beetles on unholy apps lol. This is a really nice resource.



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2017-09-17 07:10:29
Yeah, Berenos, I did scrying according to the idea I had myself, seemed logical but what youve named I've already scryed.
Like I said I could have been very very unlucky.
Since group 2 is only red and Madagascar is red special I assume the missing base is literally anything.
Just like cairngorm we have some fails of the column 1 bases in column 2, 2 creams like in cairngorm too.
So since column 2 consists of some very very red colours I'd assume the missing base is something ebony-like because Madagascar has that black tone in it.
But ugh idk what base haven't I tried scrying yet



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2017-09-17 07:11:19
Hmmm. I'll try with Chartreux and see what happens.



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2017-09-17 07:12:47
Also we discard the bases that already are in cairngorm combo, I'm thinking maybe we shouldn't?



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2017-09-17 07:12:56
Berenos, I thought cairngorm was 4 black and 2 black and 2 creams? Slate and cocoa are both black :o



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2017-09-17 07:13:22
Isn't Cocoa cream?

Edit: Cocoa used to be cream, I think, back before the genetics overhaul :'D
There goes the theory. So... we are searching for another red base?



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Edited on 17/09/17 @ 07:15:12 by Berenos (#84593)







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