ICU: I don't support stillborn cubs. I know it happens in real life, but I have a sister who comes on this game to get away from real-life, and has had issues personally with miscarriages and the like - the introduction of stillborns would definitely cause her to leave this game. Not to mention, it wouldn't be fair to users who might have purchased a sister or daughter of a stud, then go and spend gb to breed with the father or brother hoping to get strong marks or whatever - only to have the cub be stillborn.

I DO support recessive mutations such as achromia. But at the same time, I think it would lead to an influx of mutants, and as has bee mentioned already, in the wild inbreeding is surprisingly common in lions. yes, a dominant male might lose his pride to another lion, but that new leader could be his son, who would then breed with his own mother and sisters and aunts.

People seem to forget that inbreeding is actually really common in the animal kingdom.

Sorry but overall, I have ot say I don't support.

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Long-term inbreeding has negative effects. There are MANY populations of wild animals in Africa and other places suffering from it right now. It's making them weak and infertile. The smaller the gene pool, the fewer possible combinations for genes and chromosomes, the more likely it is that harmful ones will form. Breeding siblings or parent to offspring might not have sick cubs the first time, or the second or third, even, but eventually, it's going to catch up.

I understand stillborn cubs turning a lot of people off, for various reasons. Perhaps instead there could be something like failed pregnancy? This would not need to be a miscarriage, exactly, more like, the unborn cubs are too genetically unstable to even be born, and are absorbed back into mom? Of course, that's not happening, anyway, at least not now. Point is: inbreeding eventually goes wrong. So higher mutation chance, or mutations that only occur in inbred lions, makes sense.

However, this would need to be balanced by a risk when using an outside stud; otherwise, it's not fair to those players who DO inbreed.

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I don't support it because it would me it would cost a lot to breed with a lion outside your pride =/

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No support because you can only breed with one male on your account, thus everything would be inbred unless you use other players' studs. Sorry, just doesn't really seem to fit in with the rest of the game. I think low fert is enough for the chance of mutations, which are supposed to be rare.

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New blood can be introduced in the form of new females as well. I have never had an inbred cub because of constant females being introduced as well as not breeding my males to their offspring. So not everything would be inbred it just depends on your method.

I have never used outside studs either.

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Unless you are wanting NCL colors, it isn't that easy to get new blood all the time.
You are either spending GB creating new lioness or buying them and spending as much SB as you would studding which is what some want to avoid.

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The thing is though, is that there are plenty of people practically giving cubs away for free/anything all over the trade center. It's not even just NCL coats either, I've seen plenty of custom colors going for cheap. Their stats may not be amazingly high but stats do nothing right now anyway. I think it's much easier to get custom lions now compared to back when I started.

Anyway I think we're diverging from the actual point here so I'll shush up now.

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I dont support this for 2 reasons:

1. The heritage bug. It is one thing that makes basically 100% of Lioden's lions become inbred even if they arent. The Heritage always links to the current king of the accounts, so it impossible to tell if a lion was inbred or is victim to the heritage Bug. The developers also expressed that they cannot fix this bug due to having to delete a lot of things and potentially a full reset would need to be made. -according to their reply to one of the bug reports. Hence why negative or any effects put onto inbred lions is an impossibility. It cannot and should not be implemented due to this bug. Everything on Lioden is inbred.

2. I am sharing Larvirawr's opinion in this one. I like to keep my lions to myself and keep my original pride without any 'outsiders', where my male breeds the descendants of the first 5 NCLs I ever had. So I have a one giant inbred bloodline and I would refuse to have my pride another way. I have my own style and I would hate to have to change it and put in 'new blood' which I dont desire.

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There are a lot of players who like to keep to their own prides.

I myself keep to my own pride, unless I'm specifically looking for a new marking or base that I can't get unless I breed with a lion who has it and who isn't in my current pride..

So to be forced to constantly have to get outside blood in my pride would probably mean me having to purchase lions or constantly stud with outside lions, which I don't want to do.

I enjoy being in my little pride, inbreeding or not. And while yes, it would add plenty realism to the game, it is in fact still a game, and not every aspect of it has to be realistic.

It is not a zoo-type SIM game, it's a pretend pride game. :/

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Don't support. The whole Lioden would be crawling with mutated lions, which in the first place is supposed to be rare, and an achievment to try and gain.
Considering about 95% of the lions/lionesses here are inbred, there would be mutated lions everywhere, and people will start losing the point of this game and leave. I think the fertility rate does a good job on keeping the mutations as rare as it is. Therefore I don't think inbreeding needs to intervene and pump those chances up.
Most of the people don't want to stud, because it is highly expensive. And should be a choice.

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I support, in real life too much of a series of long inbreeding are currently the huge troubles of the crater lions.

Plus, if there is that doesn't like to buy new lions: they still can win more random lionesses in the search... plus if it is just adding something like 5% it would be just fair

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You have my support, but it should be a low chance.

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@Mimi Plus, if there is that doesn't like to buy new lions: they still can win more random lionesses in the search...

I'm sorry. But that is a great insult to me an anyone else who has worked within their pride to get good lions... :/

Why would I want to down my hard work and time to Breed up good lions within my pride only to constantly have to pick up NCLs and restart the breeding process to continue breeding because I can't breed with "related" lions in my own pride?

And again mutations are supposed to be RARE. If this was a thing almost all lions in lioden would have mutations and this they would no longer be rare.

I'm happy with having something's in lioden be unrealistic.. It's a game. Not everything on it has to be realistic.

I don't want to have to suffer or be forced to constantly introduce outside blood into my pride when I don't want it.

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That kind of makes sense why that would be the case of mutants.

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I reckon this'd be a great idea, except for the fact that - as many have said- people would just continuously inbreed their lions to get mutations.
Heck, if I got bored I might, despite the fact I'd never intentionally inbreed my lions.

I'm all for there being a higher chance of an inbreeding not being successful, which would mean the lions involved would lose energy etc. more frequently, or for litter sizes to be limited to a lower amount, as an example.

So, overall I've often thought there aught to be some repercussions for breeding to 'close relatives' (daughters, mothers, etc), but (visible) mutations are not the way to go.

So I don't support, unless maybe there was a fatal/limiting mutation that was not actually 'visible' to players so they wouldn't continuously breed for them and cause the population to further increase.

But it is a cool idea.

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