Posted by Female Primals

JAX • 3.12.21
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2016-12-31 14:03:53
Right, so I had an idea.

Female lionesses will (probably) not get primal, meaning it would pass exclusively from the male line. That makes it VERY limited though since most people don't like male cubs/don't have the space for them and would only end up chasing or sex changing them. Also, submales can't breed and not everyone (me for example) wants a primal King.

Solution: Why don't we have it so that the females CARRY the gene for Primal but rarely, or never express it.

Think of it as a sex-linked thing, like color blindness. Women typically don't get it because it's found on the 'X' gene. If you've got a bad 'X' gene a good 'X' gene will take over and the women's vision will be fine. Two bad X's and yeah-- you'll be colorblind and any sons you have will also be. Your daughters will carry it. However, if you're a guy, you've only got one X so you're only option IS to be colorblind.

So maybe Females can have expressed primal (rare than male primal) with a definite (or higher) pass rate to sons (the rate of male to female cubs is roughly 1/3) and carried primal (commonality: ???) which they can inherit from their fathers and pass on to any sons. How I'm seeing it:

Base Pass Rate (from father)
5% (to sons)
1-2.5% (to daughters - carried)
.5-1% (to daughters - express)
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Base Pass Rate (from mother)
3% (from Carrier mother to son)
2% (from Carrier mother to daughter:carried)
1.5% (from carrier mother to daughter:expressed)
7% (from Expressed Mother to son)
5% (from Carrier mother to son)
4% (from Expressed Mother to daughter:carried)
2% (from Expressed Mother to daughter:expressed)

EDIT 1:
Since most people favor a solo male pass consider the gene being exclusively male BUT females can carry it? This is an idea already in the works and the numbers above (minus expressed lionesses) still apply to the idea.


I don't know, thoughts? Suggestions?



This suggestion has 115 supports and 26 NO supports.



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Edited on 31/12/16 @ 23:26:47 by Jackster [Pie/Glace/Rosette] (#98288)

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Posted on
2016-12-31 14:05:16
support, but Xylax and the team are already discussing females carrying primal <3



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Posted on
2016-12-31 14:05:40
I support. I don't have any suggestions right now but i will let you know if i have any suggestions.



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Lia-Lin
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Posted on
2016-12-31 14:09:39
I won't support or not support for now, but here is what that admins are discussing at the moment in terms of Primals.
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JAX • 3.12.21
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Posted on
2016-12-31 14:12:30
I didn't see that tidbit! Thanks for showing it to me, but this has more of a concept/idea of the numbers behind it, so even if they ARE considering it, I'd like opinions on the numbers. Changes, suggestions, ect.

I'm glad they're considering the first two options though. Looks like that little chat-spat might've kicked something off here.



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Lia-Lin
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Posted on
2016-12-31 14:14:39
No problem! I didn't really have anything to contribute to this idea, so I thought I'd share that with you!



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2016-12-31 14:25:38
Sorry, I can't support. As much as I think female primals would be a good idea, we already have many many female only mutations. The males need a few more mutations to themselves.
I personally also associate og fur as the parallel to primal anyways. Its female only, it passes, and it looks like a cave lion too.



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JAX • 3.12.21
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2016-12-31 14:34:09
What exactly is the harm in more female mutations? Lioden has a focus on females anyhow; not many people keep males.



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Mandala_Side (#84114)


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2016-12-31 14:40:38
Sure females play a big part, but it depends on the player to decide how important they are to gameplay. Everybody has a king lion though.
Females just have a lot to themselves and it would be nice for males to have a few more to themselves as well.



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Posted on
2016-12-31 14:59:02
If Lioden decided to not have it on females, it'd be a male only mutation anyway. It'd all depend on taste really, whether or not you want a primal, and how far you'd be willing to take it.
It'd keep it more scarce true, but to me that's a good thing. (And maybe that's what Lioden was going for.)

Personally I'd prefer it if primal could show on females, but not be passed by females. It'd be like a gender reversed leopon situation, but less extreme (less extreme cause the female is still breedable, but has/adds no extra chance to passing it.) Not to mention, it'd make the male mutation version more valuable, since only males can pass it.
For those reasons, i can't support your suggestion, it's not a bad suggestion, but it's my preference.



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Edited on 31/12/16 @ 22:10:40 by Phantom StarsX (#92256)

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Posted on
2016-12-31 15:03:30
I agree with Random_Carrion🍖 (#84114). The lionesses already have enough mutations that the males can't have. I think it's only fair that they've a mutation that is only for their gender.

I also agree with Phantom StarsX (#92256). If you want it to show on females too then they shouldn't be able to pass on it. They should be infertile like the male leopons.

And if I could buy more male slots I would, [Pie/Glace/Rosette] (#98288). I personally like the lions better than the lionesses but that's just my preference.



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Edited on 31/12/16 @ 22:04:07 by BulletHeadJack [#Fin] (#61032)

JAX • 3.12.21
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Posted on
2016-12-31 16:15:30
And I restate my original point: Lionesses are actual useful (hunting, breeding) and worth something, Males do next to nothing aside from being your heir and patrolling (and they can only do that one at a time every hour. Females can go out every 30 minutes and there's no cooldown + you can spend GB to make the hunt go faster. Can't do that with males.)

Same, I like the adol male art alot, and I still think it's dumb you can only have 5 male slots. If anything this new mutation should be incentive for Lioden to get rid of that dumb limitation OR open sub-male breeding.



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Posted on
2016-12-31 16:19:38
I actually made a post about how we should be able to purchase more slots for males, Jackster
[Pie/Glace/Rosette] (#98288).

And I seen posts that the admins are considering about changing and making the sub males more useful in the game. We just have to wait and see if they do. I hope they do.

But I still think it should only be a male mutation. It would boost the need of actually wanting males in your pride (for some people).



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Phantom StarsX (#92256)

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Posted on
2016-12-31 16:21:14
Its meant to be a kings mutation jack, originally I think. not just a male mutation. Either way, good luck.



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JAX • 3.12.21
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Posted on
2016-12-31 16:22:09
You did? Link me to it and you'll have my support for sure. Also, you can just call me Jackster no need for all that extra nonsense.

That's fine. If it's male only I've got no issue as long as females can carry it (they wouldn't appear different) and could pass it to their sons.



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Posted on
2016-12-31 16:22:54
If the mutation passes on to other males then it isn't just for the main lions, Phantom StarsX (#92256).



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