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2016-12-31 14:03:53
Right, so I had an idea.

Female lionesses will (probably) not get primal, meaning it would pass exclusively from the male line. That makes it VERY limited though since most people don't like male cubs/don't have the space for them and would only end up chasing or sex changing them. Also, submales can't breed and not everyone (me for example) wants a primal King.

Solution: Why don't we have it so that the females CARRY the gene for Primal but rarely, or never express it.

Think of it as a sex-linked thing, like color blindness. Women typically don't get it because it's found on the 'X' gene. If you've got a bad 'X' gene a good 'X' gene will take over and the women's vision will be fine. Two bad X's and yeah-- you'll be colorblind and any sons you have will also be. Your daughters will carry it. However, if you're a guy, you've only got one X so you're only option IS to be colorblind.

So maybe Females can have expressed primal (rare than male primal) with a definite (or higher) pass rate to sons (the rate of male to female cubs is roughly 1/3) and carried primal (commonality: ???) which they can inherit from their fathers and pass on to any sons. How I'm seeing it:

Base Pass Rate (from father)
5% (to sons)
1-2.5% (to daughters - carried)
.5-1% (to daughters - express)
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Base Pass Rate (from mother)
3% (from Carrier mother to son)
2% (from Carrier mother to daughter:carried)
1.5% (from carrier mother to daughter:expressed)
7% (from Expressed Mother to son)
5% (from Carrier mother to son)
4% (from Expressed Mother to daughter:carried)
2% (from Expressed Mother to daughter:expressed)

EDIT 1:
Since most people favor a solo male pass consider the gene being exclusively male BUT females can carry it? This is an idea already in the works and the numbers above (minus expressed lionesses) still apply to the idea.


I don't know, thoughts? Suggestions?



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Edited on 31/12/16 @ 23:26:47 by Jackster [Pie/Glace/Rosette] (#98288)

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2016-12-31 16:39:17
I would love to see a lioness showing the primal mutation. Even if it is rare for a female to express the primal mutation , i still fully support the idea.



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2016-12-31 16:43:26
Gonna make this is clear as I can:

Primal Male + Lioness = A) 5% chance of Primal Son B) 2.5% Chance of Primal (CARRYING) Daughter
Primal Carrying Lioness + Male = A) 3% Chance of Primal Son C) 2% Chance of Primal Carrying Daughter

There will be NO Primal Lionesses.



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2016-12-31 16:43:27
I'm kind of torn at the moment.
Cause using all the data from this post I believe these words the most:

Personally I'd prefer it if primal could show on females, but not be passed by females. It'd be like a gender reversed leopon situation, but less extreme (less extreme cause the female is still breedable, but has/adds no extra chance to passing it.)
-@Phantom StarsX (#92256)

I think it would be quite cool if it can be passed to females, however females cannot pass it to offspring so it'd be purely aesthetic on a lioness.
-@Kraft (#1105)

To get more of the mutation, it would rely solely on the male having a male cub, and chancing the mutation.
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2016-12-31 16:45:08
I'm still on the side of them Carrying it. Unless someone has a damn good reason for me not to be, I don't intend to move. I prefer functionality over Aesthetics.



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2016-12-31 16:46:10
*Tilts head at Jackster,* why wouldn't you want a primal lionesses? That'd be kinda confusing I think. they can't inherite it, but they can breed it?



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2016-12-31 16:48:15
I changed my vote to support.



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JAX •
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2016-12-31 16:49:25
I'd love a primal lioness (as in, an actual primal lioness, not a lab test frog one), but everyone seems to be against it. I want a primal carrying lioness at least.

And it's not confusing. You can carry and pass a gene without having it yourself. It's how couples with brown eyes have blue and green eyed kids. I gave a sex-linked example in my original post with colorblindness. 1 in 12 men have it, only 1 in 200 women have it. What's so confsing about it?



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Edited on 31/12/16 @ 23:50:27 by Jackster [Pie/Glace/Rosette] (#98288)

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Posted on
2016-12-31 16:53:12
I'm not against Primal lionesses, I'm against lionesses with it passing it.
And yes I understand how all that works. It just doesn't make much sense to me for it to be applied here.
Side note, not that I do this on purpose, but Jackster its surprisingly fun to despute with you.



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2016-12-31 16:54:21
I love the idea of lionesses being able to carry/pass it onto their offspring, I always thought the male and female only mutes should be at least able to do that.



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2016-12-31 17:05:13
@Phantom Why are you against lionesses passing it? You all said you wanted an only male mutation and this would be the case.

A lioness carrying primal doesn't have primal the same way a person carrying blue eyes doesn't have blue eyes. Also, in both cases, passing it to the next generation is unlikely, in Lioden because the rate would be half that of the male and IRL because blue eyes are the most recessive eye color.

@Fonz Thanks! It'd be similar to piebald.



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2016-12-31 17:06:51
I feel so special now because I've blue eyes. XD



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2016-12-31 17:08:57
It is a male only mutation, but it's not a male passable only mutation. That's what I expected from Primal, and that's what I want from it, regardless of whether or not Lioden decides to allow lionesses to have it.
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Posted on
2016-12-31 17:10:42
@ Jackster [Pie/Glace/Rosette] (#98288) i do respect your opinion.

I know primal is new mutation; and we don't have all the details .

I know i would love to see a lioness expressing the primal mutation.



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2016-12-31 17:15:04
Not to mention there are several female only mutations, 2 female only passable mutations, and 1 mutation passable from both parents. There should be a male only passable mutation, and primal is a good candidate for that.



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2016-12-31 17:21:36
The focus on females is justified. This new attempted focus on males, especially since they matter so little in the grand scope of things, just seems to some attempt at fairness. I respect that, but let's be honest: Lioden values females, not males. Even if it's a small chance, the possibility for females should be there.



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