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Berenos|On hiatus (#84593)

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2017-09-16 02:31:17
Are you more into mane shapes? Then the Mane Genetics Thread is here for you

Want to check out a particular combo quickly? Use ctrl + f and type its name, or use the "search on site" option if you are using a cellphone :)



Wiki entry about Combo Bases

This began as a way to share theories about possible combinations, but then things got way bigger than expected. A lot of people have invested a lot of currency in the scrying stone to see if we were right about combos, and here is the result :D

But wait... What are combo bases?



When you breed two lions with the right combination of bases, their cubs roll a further, extra chance that can result in a third, new base, a "combo" base. Each combo base has its own requirements, and these bases often ignore the set genetic rules: for example, the Cairngorm combo base (Black Light Solid Special genetics) can be obtained by breeding a Celestial lion (Black Dark Countershaded Special genetics) and a Cocoa lioness (Black Medium Countershaded Rare genetics). Most combo bases can be passed down as long as one parent has it and further requirements are met if there are any, with the exception of Pulsar and Temporal.

*Since the 12th October update, cubs that have triggered the original combo bases - Cairngorm, Citrine, Madagascar or Qahir - have a 50% chance of getting their respective mane color, and these can be inherited like any other mane color!

Right now there are two different types of combo bases: "standard" combos and "factor" combos. Factor ones can be obtined by breeding any of the bases that make up the combo, but standard ones can be obtained by more than one combination of bases that are assembled into two different groups. The combo can trigger as long as the parents have bases that belong to a different combo group (not to be mistaken by the genetic color group).

*Note: While some of the following standard combo tables have been completed, there may be some combinations that remain undiscovered yet.

Standard combos:





Arabica

This base doesn't have additional restrictions. Confirmed bases to breed Arabica by the almighty News:
1st base group2nd base group

  • Black



  • Buttercream

  • Buttermilk






Asiatic

This base doesn't have additional restrictions. Confirmed bases to breed Asiatic by the almighty News:
1st base group2nd base group

  • Dun

  • Gray



  • Cream

  • White






Black Rose

This base doesn't have additional restrictions. Confirmed bases to breed Black Rose by the almighty News:
1st base group2nd base group

  • Cinnabar



  • Jet

  • Obsidian

  • Onyx






Cairngorm

This base doesn't have additional restrictions. Confirmed bases to breed Cairngorm by the almighty News:
1st base group2nd base group

  • Celestial

  • Ice

  • Sidereal

  • Skyward



  • Cocoa

  • Ethereal

  • Pearl

  • Slate






Citrine

This base doesn't have additional restrictions. Confirmed bases to breed Citrine by the almighty Scrying Stone:
1st base group2nd base group

  • Cinnabar

  • Kimanjano

  • Topaz

  • Xanthic



  • Cherry Blossom

  • Fiery

  • Fulvous

  • Sulphur






Cloudburst

This base can only be obtained during wet season; this means the two lions must breed during wet season. Confirmed bases to breed Cloudburst by the almighty Scrying Stone:
1st base group2nd base group

  • Albino



  • Chartreux

  • Korat

  • Maltese






Elysian

This base doesn't have additional restrictions. Confirmed bases to breed Elisyan by the almighty News:
1st base group2nd base group

  • Ice



  • Divine

  • Ebony






Ember

This base doesn't have additional restrictions. Confirmed bases to breed Ember by the almighty News:
1st base group2nd base group

  • Blazing

  • Fiery



  • Flint

  • Pewter






Hellebore

This base doesn't have additional restrictions. Confirmed bases to breed Hellebore by the almighty Scrying Stone:
1st base group2nd base group

  • Lilac



  • Goldenrod

  • Udara






Madagascar

This base doesn't have additional restrictions. Confirmed bases to breed Madagascar by the almighty Scrying Stone:
1st base group2nd base group

  • Sapela

  • Sepia

  • Shedua

  • Unholy



  • Ivory

  • Nacre

  • Sunset

  • Supernal






Nadir

This base doesn't have additional restrictions. Confirmed bases to breed Nadir by the almighty News:
1st base group2nd base group

  • Black Rose

  • Ebony



  • Ardor

  • Hellebore

  • Rhodonite






Pulsar

This base can only be obtained via combo during July, but can be passed down by breeding two Pulsar based lions all year around. Confirmed bases to breed Pulsar by the almighty News:
1st base group2nd base group

  • Arctic



  • Anjeer

  • Blazing

  • Inferno

  • Prune






Qahir

This base doesn't have additional restrictions. Confirmed bases to breed Qahir by the almighty Scrying Stone:
1st base group2nd base group

  • Buff

  • Cameo

  • Hallowed

  • Russet



  • Chartreux

  • Glacial

  • Hematite

  • Opal






Snowflake

This base can only be obtained during wet season; this means the two lions must breed during wet season. Confirmed bases to breed Snowflake by the almighty News:
1st base group2nd base group

  • Albino



  • Arctic

  • Aufeis

  • Frostbitten

  • Glacial

  • Ice






Temporal

This base can only be obtained via combo during October, but can be passed down by breeding two Temporal based lions all year around. Confirmed bases to breed Temporal by the almighty News:
1st base group2nd base group

  • Unholy



  • Bast

  • Sunset




Factor combos:





Gilded

This base doesn't have additional restrictions. Confirmed bases to breed Gilded by the almighty News:
1st base2nd base3rd base

  • Anubis



  • Bast



  • Seth






Olive

This base doesn't have additional restrictions. Confirmed bases to breed Olive by the almighty News:
1st base2nd base

  • Caramel



  • Xanthic






Rose Gold

This base doesn't have additional restrictions. Confirmed bases to breed Rose Gold by the almighty News:
1st base2nd base3rd base

  • Alabaster



  • Sha



  • Velvet






Soul

This base doesn't have additional restrictions. Confirmed bases to breed Soul by the almighty News:
1st base2nd base

  • Ivory



  • Ebony





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Edited on 19/12/19 @ 03:40:35 by Jingle Bere (#84593)

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Posted on
2018-02-16 14:53:11
mutt edit that out don't give them ideas D:



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muttduck (#78)

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Posted on
2018-02-16 14:54:30
I edited it for you. :P



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Juminakata (River) (#6903)

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Posted on
2018-02-16 14:55:20
-sigh of great relief-



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Nureyev 🦆 (#30674)

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2018-02-16 14:58:40
I've been doing some research and I think other combo base breeders might be interested.

Sitewide numbers of Combo base lions as per Search feature and cubs sired/cubs born lists as of today:
(Dams means females of breeding age; I probably should have just counted those who have had a cub or more but ah well. The total cub numbers are still interesting).
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Cairngorm

Studs: 5
Cubs Sired: 107
Dams: 100
Cubs Born: 116


Madagascar

Studs: 5
Cubs Sired: 187
Dams: 32
Cubs Born: 45


Citrine

Studs: 3
Cubs Sired: 156
Dams: 35
Cubs Born: 39

Quahir

Studs: 2
Cubs Sired: 47
Dams: 16
Cubs Born: 23


Total Combo Base kings: 15
Total Cubs sired: 497 - 0 Combo bases

Total Cubs born from Combo Base dams: 223 - 0 Combo bases

720 cubs, 0 Combo Base

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It does seem strange to me not a single cub has inherited a combo base. I'm working on checking the opposite parent's base on those 720 cubs but progress is slow.







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Berenos|On hiatus (#84593)

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2018-02-16 15:00:43
@Mutt

yclupuna



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Thalath {Offline} (#41669)

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Posted on
2018-02-16 15:01:48
yeah really disappointed that single-combo base was winning last i checked



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2018-02-16 15:02:21
@Nureyev

Omg that is a lot of work! It's kind of weird that it hasn't passed yet



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muttduck (#78)

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2018-02-16 15:07:26
My secondary stud is one of the 3 Citrines (he is first listed when searching). I knew none of his offspring were Citrine, but to see that NONE of ANY Combo's offspring are Combo, is very very sad. Thank you for researching that.

Can we get that added to the bug topic about Combos?
Clicky here.

This also makes me more than a tad bit angry that we're polling about new Combos when the current ones are very obviously broken.

(Editing to add, that research is likely the final nail in my Citrine King's coffin. I've been working on his replacement - just need Cherry Blossom to unlock.)




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Edited on 16/02/18 @ 15:10:24 by muttduck (#78)

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2018-02-16 15:09:11
yeah combo bases are a real disaster atm, which is a shame because they're such a cool concept



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muttduck (#78)

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2018-02-16 15:23:24
OMG... I just realized, that is the 720 cubs that LIVED.
How many breeders are like I am, that get trash cubs out of the server by sending them to the preserve or killing them?? How many hundreds MORE could have been added to that list?



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2018-02-16 16:19:46
I created a new ticket.
Did I forget something? I can still add stuff.



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2018-02-16 16:22:23
Can one breed 2 from 2nd group or?



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Posted on
2018-02-16 16:22:48
What?



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muttduck (#78)

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2018-02-16 16:25:26
I forgot that I bred both of my Cairn girls to a Cairn stud this morning, thinking we may have had a fix... but I feel like that was a wasted breeding now.



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2018-02-16 16:27:59
Wenduo, it only works if they are opposite groups, not 2 from the same group. You need group one and two, OR a combo and one of the groups that made it (seemingly glitched and not working), OR two of the same combo (also seemingly glitched and not working.)



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