Posted by Pick Main Lion Pronouns (7/23/21)

Sol
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2019-05-04 11:12:04
Edit: Tl;Dr- let us pick the pronouns in the event dialogue (and maybe explore)

Edit 2: 7/23/21 Revamped for 2021 because this is getting attention again i guess

The updates for more LGBTQ+ options for the pride leader has been AMAZING, and I'm very thankful that the staff have been adding things to make the game more open. However one big problem remains: events!

Basically, the storylines for events are a little older and harder to fix than just the art and titles. They're all male-centric because they were written before, so they say things relating only to male lions and use masculine pronouns and such. I believe that it would be a worthwhile task to make it an option under your Main Lion, perhaps in Studding Settings, that would allow you to pick the pronouns that your lion uses in the event dialogue. This would be set to "He/him" by default, and would simply be more customization options for players. This isn't only a feature to be used by LGBTQ+ players. This feature would provide an more in depth roleplay experience for players that simply want to have a leader that isn't male. Even if it isn't retroactively applied to all events, it could be considered going forward with new events.

You're free to debate the implementation below but if you're only here to shit on LGBT people then just. Don't.

edit 1, a point i didn't even consider (via Kaito):
"Not to mention the hell that could unleash with people using pronouns on bios- my own bio lists "He/Him" as pronouns I accept. If you used this extension, that he/him could become another "they/them" even though i have that listed already, or even "she/her", a pronoun i am uncomfortable with and do not want you to use for me."
tl;dr: it might fuck up someones personal pronouns on their bio and you'd end up calling them the wrong thing


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FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS:

-What if I don't want this?

The default would be set to he/him, so this wouldn't effect any player that doesn't manually change the settings.



-Can't you just download an extension?

No. First of all, there is no way the extension would be able to differentiate between event pronouns and user pronouns. This would be literal chaos when you literally cannot tell how to correctly refer to someone and would misgender EVERYONE on the site. Secondly, if your website requires third party extensions, it's maybe not that good. I'm really looking at you, modern Tumblr.



-This is a waste of time.

I mean, that's your opinion I guess, but it's not like it would affect how fast art is being made. The point of these forums is to suggest things. I could go on any suggestion in existence and say it's wasting time that could be spent on other projects. The limiting factor in Lioden content being rolled out is generally the amount of artists the site employs, not the amount of coders.



-I don't want to use this.

That's fine. You don't have to, and I can't tell you how to vote. But please keep in mind that this would be great for a VARIETY of play styles.



-How would this work?

I imagine that the pronoun selection could be a drop-down menu. It would work somewhat similarly to how names already work, where the website fills in the blanks based on the values set. In the names case, it would be going from "(king.name), you have done well today" to "Queen Sappho, you have done well today". In the pronouns case, it could be longer strings of text to deal with the grammar problem. "V'kai flicked his tail towards you. "This is (king.name), and (pronoun.string) come to join the battles!" changes to "V'kai flicked his tail towards you. "This is Queen Sappho, and she has come to join the battles!" to "V'kai flicked his tail towards you. "This is Queen Sappho, and they have come to join the battles!"
If Lioden wanted to implement using multiple sets of pronouns, it could be a check-list and the text output could randomly assign one of the pronouns, but I think this would be a lot harder.



-Wow, Sol, how are you so cool all the time?

Finally, the most frequently asked question on this ENTIRE website. It's because I'm a cat, and cats are inherently cooler than people. Sorry.


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OTHER THREADS

BASES/MARKINGS:
Combo: Daybreak
Combo: Tarnish
Combo: Rosé
Combo: Woodland
Marking: Nimravus Toes (OLD)

GAME FUNCTION:
Stud Blurbs In Search
Pregancy Pose Item
Pick Main Lion's Pronouns <--- You are here
Explore Encounter: Quest Snake
Male AMP: Potent (OLD)
NCL Exclusive Pose (OLD)
Title: Shitty (OLD)

Please do not bring back/bump suggestion threads of mine that aren't on this list without permission!



This suggestion has 348 supports and 143 NO supports.



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Edited on 17/08/23 @ 03:59:38 by Sol 🏳‍🌈🐈 {g2} (#132333)

Taj (#120950)

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Posted on
2019-05-11 11:04:19
Absolutely support!



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Scout the Arsonist (#158691)

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Posted on
2019-05-11 11:04:21
Would that mean NPCs that loved u (like Wenet last year) would canonically be pansexual?



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Soular[G1 Ticked
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2019-06-27 22:34:28
If the addons that do this are allowed by site admins can I get a link or even a name of what it would be called?



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Sol
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Posted on
2019-09-30 22:21:55
it's been 3 months where's this magical extension that can tell how to change pronouns? uwu uwu



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Sorrel (#185311)

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2019-09-30 22:31:41
Oh big support as an NB myself, it would be super cool to be able to have a non-binary/gender ambiguous lead lion. As stated by the OP, it makes sense both for pure game immersion/logic (canonical queens, Sapphic titles, etc.) and for inclusiveness. Either way, I don't see any downside to this. I don't know much coding but this doesn't sound exactly hard, especially given that the entire site runs very well and seems excellently coded with things way more complicated than this. I can see being neutral, but opposing it because there's "extensions available" is ridiculous imo.

Aside from external extensions being generally banned, the fact is that not every browser may have such an extension, and even if they did, none of them are semantic enough to only change certain specific instances of pronouns that it somehow is supposed to know only refer to you. An extension doesn't "fix" this issue; it just... makes it even more confounding because instead of your queen being the odd one out, there's now an entire site full of default lions you now see using "she/her" for example. Not to mention the hell that could unleash with people using pronouns on bios- my own bio lists "He/Him" as pronouns I accept. If you used this extension, that he/him could become another "they/them" even though i have that listed already, or even "she/her", a pronoun i am uncomfortable with and do not want you to use for me.



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Sol
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Posted on
2019-09-30 22:36:18
mind if i quote "Not to mention the hell that could unleash with people using pronouns on bios- my own bio lists "He/Him" as pronouns I accept. If you used this extension, that he/him could become another "they/them" even though i have that listed already, or even "she/her", a pronoun i am uncomfortable with and do not want you to use for me." on the original post?



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Sorrel (#185311)

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Posted on
2019-09-30 22:38:19
Oh, yeah, go for it!



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Deixis🐁 (#184153)

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Posted on
2019-11-16 01:47:16
If it's easy to add, sure. Otherwise meh, I can't say I care. Wild prides are run by the females, but the player's main lion is programmed as male. I get why the system is the way it is, but I still find it funny.



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Kungpao (#11469)

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Posted on
2020-01-01 11:12:14
Support!



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Atlaz (#128752)

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Posted on
2020-01-01 11:26:57
Personally I don't support this as it isn't really.. needed? People can just put what they'd like to be called on their den page or in their name, or just tell people when talking to them. As for kings in events, I have yet to see one be called by anything but its name by the NPC. It wouldn't be a necessary thing to really add to the game, and to be honest I think coders/staff have enough to do without having to change and add more context to storylines when they could be working on the actual story itself. So if anything it would probably just be another problem, especially with the bugs that would come with them messing with the coding, staff doesn't need that.



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error 404 (#69266)

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2020-01-01 11:39:03
well in my personal opinion this feature is not very needed. i don't care what pronouns are used for my king by npcs, i always see him as male even when lab-frogged. he's just a bit smaller and weaker,that's all plus i can't really see myself using it enough. i would prefer more advanced storylines/new interesting npcs or new events instead. additionally like Havoc said : you can write anything on your page and ask people to refer to you/your lion as you like.
i'm not hating/trying to be mean, it's just an opinion.



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Edited on 01/01/20 @ 11:42:03 by error 404 (#69266)

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2021-06-04 13:18:54
Support for one of the most harmless suggestions on this site.

This isn't about your pronouns. This isn't about if you view your lab-frogged king as a queen. It's about your lion, the Royal Leader of the Pride being referred to as such, in the game. Your queen being referred to as a queen, in the game.
Lioden is a sim game A sim game that actively encourages role-playing much like any other sim game. Queen Lady of the Lady Kingdom being refer to as "he" would take some players out of that experience, and because of that, this would be a really good feature to implement. I can understand some players not caring about this feature (Surprise, I'm one of those people who wouldn't care) but some players do! It would enhance their experience of a game they enjoy without any detriment to you. I cannot think of any cons to this suggestion honestly. The default will be male pronouns so you won't even have to touch this feature if you simply do not care (Which there is no harm in btw).

I also want to say that the support button does not mean "Drop everything and implement this immediately" It means "I like this feature. I would like to see this in the game at some point" Obviously the Lioden team will focus more on game-breaking bugs, updating events, male poses, bases and markings etc before adding a small, little drop-down menu for pronouns. Come up with a better argument, please. This is not a valuable point against any suggestion, I am sick of seeing it everywhere.



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2021-06-20 09:04:15
No, because it’s not realistic if you’ve got a pride leader, that’s supposed to stud and breed with females, referred to as ”other”. Because a female leader in the wild wouldn’t be able to produce cubs if mated with other females. Even if the king has a lab test frog equipped, it still applies. The king is still male, since he can breed with other females and produce cubs. It doesn’t even have to do with LGBTEFGHIJ+ and co., it just has to do with the realistic nature of the game.



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Edited on 20/06/21 @ 09:11:08 by Kaye 😼 [G5 Hibi Ferus] (#109418)

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2021-06-20 10:57:36
It depends on the lore. In mine - the leader of the pride is granted the power to produce cubs with other lions. No matter the genders. Through magic.

Yes, magic does not exist "in the wild".
But you know, Demiurge or Bast do not as well

This game is suposse to be partialy realistic. Not to the point we can't call Villanelle "she". You know. Otherwise tell me about realistic nature of the leader of the pride having rabbit dinner with Wenet.



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Edited on 20/06/21 @ 10:57:55 by Magnituda [G2 clouded Cinna] (#198042)

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Posted on
2021-06-20 11:07:44
I support since I personally would want to have the pronouns there, if not for my lions then me.

No way in hecky heck am i gonna put an add on to change words cuz with my luck, imma get attacked for it since idk what is going on anymore after coming back from hiatus.
Too scared of the staff to do that even if they say it's alright much like talking about other sites ^ ^;



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