Posted by Pick Main Lion Pronouns (7/23/21)

Sol
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{g2} (im autistic) (#132333)

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2019-05-04 11:12:04
Edit: Tl;Dr- let us pick the pronouns in the event dialogue (and maybe explore)

Edit 2: 7/23/21 Revamped for 2021 because this is getting attention again i guess

The updates for more LGBTQ+ options for the pride leader has been AMAZING, and I'm very thankful that the staff have been adding things to make the game more open. However one big problem remains: events!

Basically, the storylines for events are a little older and harder to fix than just the art and titles. They're all male-centric because they were written before, so they say things relating only to male lions and use masculine pronouns and such. I believe that it would be a worthwhile task to make it an option under your Main Lion, perhaps in Studding Settings, that would allow you to pick the pronouns that your lion uses in the event dialogue. This would be set to "He/him" by default, and would simply be more customization options for players. This isn't only a feature to be used by LGBTQ+ players. This feature would provide an more in depth roleplay experience for players that simply want to have a leader that isn't male. Even if it isn't retroactively applied to all events, it could be considered going forward with new events.

You're free to debate the implementation below but if you're only here to shit on LGBT people then just. Don't.

edit 1, a point i didn't even consider (via Kaito):
"Not to mention the hell that could unleash with people using pronouns on bios- my own bio lists "He/Him" as pronouns I accept. If you used this extension, that he/him could become another "they/them" even though i have that listed already, or even "she/her", a pronoun i am uncomfortable with and do not want you to use for me."
tl;dr: it might fuck up someones personal pronouns on their bio and you'd end up calling them the wrong thing


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FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS:

-What if I don't want this?

The default would be set to he/him, so this wouldn't effect any player that doesn't manually change the settings.



-Can't you just download an extension?

No. First of all, there is no way the extension would be able to differentiate between event pronouns and user pronouns. This would be literal chaos when you literally cannot tell how to correctly refer to someone and would misgender EVERYONE on the site. Secondly, if your website requires third party extensions, it's maybe not that good. I'm really looking at you, modern Tumblr.



-This is a waste of time.

I mean, that's your opinion I guess, but it's not like it would affect how fast art is being made. The point of these forums is to suggest things. I could go on any suggestion in existence and say it's wasting time that could be spent on other projects. The limiting factor in Lioden content being rolled out is generally the amount of artists the site employs, not the amount of coders.



-I don't want to use this.

That's fine. You don't have to, and I can't tell you how to vote. But please keep in mind that this would be great for a VARIETY of play styles.



-How would this work?

I imagine that the pronoun selection could be a drop-down menu. It would work somewhat similarly to how names already work, where the website fills in the blanks based on the values set. In the names case, it would be going from "(king.name), you have done well today" to "Queen Sappho, you have done well today". In the pronouns case, it could be longer strings of text to deal with the grammar problem. "V'kai flicked his tail towards you. "This is (king.name), and (pronoun.string) come to join the battles!" changes to "V'kai flicked his tail towards you. "This is Queen Sappho, and she has come to join the battles!" to "V'kai flicked his tail towards you. "This is Queen Sappho, and they have come to join the battles!"
If Lioden wanted to implement using multiple sets of pronouns, it could be a check-list and the text output could randomly assign one of the pronouns, but I think this would be a lot harder.



-Wow, Sol, how are you so cool all the time?

Finally, the most frequently asked question on this ENTIRE website. It's because I'm a cat, and cats are inherently cooler than people. Sorry.


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Combo: Tarnish
Combo: Rosรฉ
Combo: Woodland
Marking: Nimravus Toes (OLD)

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Stud Blurbs In Search
Pregancy Pose Item
Pick Main Lion's Pronouns <--- You are here
Explore Encounter: Quest Snake
Male AMP: Potent (OLD)
NCL Exclusive Pose (OLD)
Title: Shitty (OLD)

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This suggestion has 348 supports and 143 NO supports.



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Edited on 17/08/23 @ 03:59:38 by Sol ๐Ÿณ‍๐ŸŒˆ๐Ÿˆ {g2} (#132333)

[All mut
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Posted on
2021-07-17 20:05:11
edit: this was kinda stupid lol so i deleted it. No support though, sorry



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Edited on 02/01/23 @ 11:54:25 by Barnashunter12 (#226934)

Sol
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2021-07-23 21:46:35
"They're representing my king, they even use his name. It would be hella confusing to have my lion use the same pronouns as me but be canonically be called ' framemane '"

I'm not talking about pronouns for YOU built into the site. I'm talking about being able to pick the pronouns that your main lion uses in the story events.

As for neopronouns, I'm going to be honest: there's no way in a million years the admin team would be adding neopronouns anyways. It's so laughably out of character for them to ever consider. I support neopronouns and use my own, but I'm not even going to pretend Mr Lioden would ever acknowledge them.

edit; also since this is getting a LOT of attention for some reason, considering i posted this almost 2 years ago, i've edited the original post to be a little clearer



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Edited on 23/07/21 @ 22:17:22 by Sol (mostly hiatus) (#132333)

howl. [they/them] (#33972)

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Posted on
2021-07-28 10:49:24
came here to look for this exact suggestion before posting one on my own!! coming from the perspective of someone with lots of friends who are trans girls and have their lead lions reflect such, i worry for their mental health when being referred to with he/him in events and such!



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ausgoth (#45717)

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Posted on
2021-08-05 23:26:30
support. why the hell does this have so many no supports?



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Cyanide ๐ŸŒ’ {Cream
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2021-12-24 11:57:04
This doesn't affect me in any way, I do not care how people refer to my fake lion.

I support because it DOES affect some players, and they should be able to feel comfortable in this silly lion game we all enjoy.

Not supporting it because you don't want to use it is silly and dismissive, and really just says to me that you don't care about anyone at all beyond yourself. This is, of course, simply my opinion on the matter :)



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Ronnie (#158086)


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Posted on
2022-01-29 10:14:30
Support because yeah



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MercyDemon (#240390)

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Posted on
2022-02-15 14:33:15
This would be great! My king's a guy and so am I, but I do want to have a lab frog queen at some point and pronoun choice would make the experience more immersive. I can't see any good reason not to add this feature- it wouldn't affect anyone aside from the people that want to use it, and it would improve the game immeasurably for those who do want to use it.



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Datrandomcat (#166891)

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2022-02-28 07:29:30
It's rather sad to see all the no supports- Iโ€™m sorry but at this point it gets just a little suspicious that all the suggestions for Pride inclusivity have a such a high no support ratio and where the "I don't care so this is useless and taking away focus on more important things" argument pops up the most. Or the god damn realistic argument.

This is literally no different than decoration or flavour text from lions. It's not like the existence of pride decor also means that you have to buy and use them : / Just cause you donโ€™t like a certain decor doesn't mean others shouldn't have or want the option to have it.

I personally couldn't care less about say lethals but Iโ€™m not gonna automatically no support anything relatedto them.

Also itโ€™s funny how a lion sim where lions with sparkly coats can into literall fucking space and share bodies with literal gods while also have an economy of their own is all good and all but a lioness leading a pride, siring cubs and being adressed as a she is where people draw bring up realism lmao.
Like man stop and ask yourself, why is keeping that one specific part realistic important to you and not anything else? I'm not calling you anything oh no, but I dunno man, itโ€™s kinda weird that out of everything thatโ€™s what you find an issue with. Just sayinโ€™.



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Readytest (#431796)

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2023-11-27 16:00:51
May I suggest adding custom pronoun sheets for Lioden to use? So that the pronouns of your sovereign is referred to their correct and Canon pronouns?


Like take the neopronoun "Rizz" ( Just an example don't cause a flame war over this I beg of you D= )

It would be like
Rizz/rizzself/rizz's/rizzselves

And written like

Pronoun#1: Rizz
Pronoun #2: Rizzself
Pronoun #3: Rizz's
Pronoun #4: Rizzselves



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๐ŸŒ€๐ŸŒ‘Hex๐ŸŒ‘๐ŸŒ€ (#289675)

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Posted on
2023-12-12 20:34:55
No support only cuz we can put our pronouns in our bios if we want. Personally I call ever main male lion a king/he because itโ€™s easier. I think the pronouns are pretty much for the player themselves, I wouldnโ€™t go giving my lion any pronouns personally, but if I wanted to Iโ€™d put mine in my username or on my den page.



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