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[△] Nadir (#108458)

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2023-05-25 18:23:03
[ Support My Other Suggestions? ]

Revisiting Grandpaws
Fixing 99999 SB Branch Listing Spam
Making Sub Males More Useful
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Summary:

This suggestion is going to be kept relatively simple. There are some exploitable loopholes in the writing and enforcement of ToS and CoC which I am seeking to get patched. Myself and a number of other veterans have had conversations about these topics on and off for months, but it's been an issue for a very long time.

Additionally, since the only argument against enforcing display names to be void of stud advertisements that I have seen is that it "helps locate studs", I have created this suggestion for users to provide customizable, searchable keywords for their studs and lions in their bios.

Link to "Searchable Stud & Lion Keywords in Bio" Suggestion


What I Am Proposing

I am proposing the following changes:

Point 1: Re-Define & Enforce Begging Rules

Veiled Begging Still Constitutes Begging
Veiled begging or indirect begging is defined as follows: Open mentions which specifically state user goals and an exact amount that is needed, lamenting not having a specific item or lion, stating exact amounts needed to retrieve lost lions, etc.

Just because a user doesn't specifically use a variation of the phrase "Can I have x thing?" does not mean they are not begging.

Lioden users have learned they can use the variations of the following phrases to exploit a loophole in the rules and still receive the items they want:

"All of my lions just ran and now I need to somehow make 3200 SB."
"I just realized I don't have an IBF feather for my Dwarf's heat!! I need to find 2 GB quickly!"
"All of my lions are going to run tomorrow and I don't have any food!"
"I'm 5 GB away from being able to retire my king early!"

All of the above phrases are veiled begging frequently employed by users to ask for free assets without directly asking. Many veterans on this site know what users are doing, and many of us are getting frustrated that mods knowingly turn a blind eye to what the rest of us know is purposeful veiled begging.

SOLUTION:
Update policy on begging to prohibit behaviour which may be used to directly or indirectly ask for game resources.


Point 2: Re-Define & Enforce Display Name Conduct

Stud Advertisements.
Users are repeatedly warned for advertising studs in general, alluding to studs, linking to studs, and so forth. I think it's time we recognize that display names count toward that.

There is an obvious intent when a user sets their display as: Jane Doe: G1|x6Ros|Ferus

Every time the user talks in main chat, they are advertising their lion up for stud.
See: Link to "Searchable Stud & Lion Keywords in Bio" Suggestion

Asset Begging
Some users have GB goals in their display names, for example: John Doe[1/15 GB Goal!]
Goals should be on user dens, not in display names.

Event Begging
And December especially sees a rise in this: Doe Doe: GIFT ME!!
Preferences should be on user dens, not in display names.

This constitutes begging, even if it utilizes an indirect method of doing so.

SOLUTION:
Update policy on advertisements to prohibit advertisements of any kind in display names.



This suggestion has 88 supports and 48 NO supports.



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Edited on 14/06/23 @ 13:44:37 by [♰] Yharnam (#112370)

Ricky [Git gud lol] (#177615)

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Posted on
2023-06-02 02:50:49
I complain a lot that I need things, but i say no to any hand outs. I'll just directly ask for things from a FRIEND who knows i'll give it back one way or another, and only if I know they're fine with it. I hate freebies unless i specifically want it in the giveaway chat.



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[♰] Yharnam (#112370)

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Posted on
2023-06-02 03:04:14
Mad Hyena (#29080) :: Well, that's because it's not a veiled advertisement. It's a blatant advertisement. No different than writing an ad about selling your car on the back of your windshield and driving it around, knowing people will see it because they have no choice.

I don't want to be told to just 'not look'. Because unlike that car where there's technically no law against it, in Lioden, we have rules against ads in main, it's bending the rules.


liopard [UnevenNacreRosette] (#358076) :: Thank you for the support even if you do not fully agree. Trust, I'm not trying to stomp on anyone's studs. That's why I'm trying to provide alternatives, even if they're a bit more work.

I believe that the more of these occurrences that are allowed to slide, the more of these issues will crop up elsewhere. I didn't even *know* about the "convince me" thing, but I sure knew about the early morning beg-fest. Every single time I come to chat I see users talking about all their lions about to run, see them full to capacity and with a ton of cubs and I'm like... yeah? That's the consequence of having a ton of lions and not taking the necessary precautions. If I couldn't afford FAPA I would start to lower the amount of lions I keep.


Rufus (#177615) :: I do my absolute best to be self-sufficient and I complain a fair bit about bullshit I've encountered on this site, but at the end of the day, I bitch and I fix the problem.



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Ricky [Git gud lol] (#177615)

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2023-06-02 03:07:29
@yharnam exactly! I'll complain all day, i'll say i wish I had something and then i'll go and get it. I will always put others in front of myself on LD, because i know how hard it is to play the game when all you do is lag behind. I look at people's studs when i read their users if they have something that interests me, and half the time he stud has completely changed. We need these tags so it can be wiped when a new king is kinged to prevent any false advertisement claims.



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[♰] Yharnam (#112370)

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2023-06-02 03:14:13
It's frustrating how many things on this site I have earned and felt accomplished for earning, and then others demand they should cost less or be freely available.

I have spent HUNDREDS on my kings, and every day I live with the knowledge someone could get a copy of either for no more than their stud fee, king it, and destroy my market.

I spent 120 to 150 GB worth on both of my Patches Applicators, and bought G1 boys for 25 GB a pop in April. All this planning, worthless, because the market for patches and pies was killed by the devs' decision on Black Friday.

I had clawed my way into owning one of the first Ferus kings on the site back when they first released, paid an arm and a leg, and endured users purposefully trying to destroy the market so they were more freely available.

It's a mess. And all of these things I have worked hard to afford and earn are all the more reason I support fair play and earning what you want.



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Ricky [Git gud lol] (#177615)

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2023-06-02 03:17:20
I have spent almost 1kGB for my stat project, with multiple factors in play, and then seeing someone who jsut uses their irl bank to buy whatever and then get all that money in moments actually hurts. I've spent a couple years planning out this stat project, but i've not got anything against them for it.

But there is nothing wrong with the key words in bios, it's one of the main components in most sims, or games, or even something called disboard where you search for tags relating to a server. it makes it so much simpler, it's also more efficient imo because you can put a LOT more info. You can also still show off your generation, it's not gonna prevent it



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[♰] Yharnam (#112370)

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2023-06-02 03:23:42
one thousand people really under-estimate how much stat kings cost. i'm aware yharnam will always be a lower end stat king even after everything i did. its soooo expensive.

yeah, like, i would love to be able to advertise discounts easier. cuz i love doing flash sales / flash discounts, or making games out of it

ie, "DISCOUNT; INCLUDE "FEAR THE OLD BLOOD"; as 2 search "keywords" that would show up as flags, and i could give someone a discount for finding the promo. its rewarding in its own way.

or hell, finding like-minded bloodborne fans with BB project lions how easy it would be if people could tag their themes.

its my dream to create lineages of lions with kings with all kins of bloodborne names, but finding other fans here who might want in on the project is almost impossible



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Ricky [Git gud lol] (#177615)

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2023-06-02 03:28:21
oh yeah definitely, plus advertising hard mode, or other mods/projects, or themes as you said, in the stud means fans can easily find people who may want in on a fun project like that. There's more pros than cons imo.



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Lilac RLC] (#358076)

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2023-06-02 06:12:39
I mean personally I don't purchase GB because I a. can't afford to on a PhD budget, and b. have no interest in spending money on pixels, but GB purchases are ultimately necessary to keep the website alive, so I'm not sure it's necessarily fair to fault people for purchasing GB to get ahead. If they didn't, the rest of us would suffer, even if it's annoying to grind for stuff and have somebody essentially do nothing.



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Ricky [Git gud lol] (#177615)

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2023-06-02 06:50:44
Oh i know, don't worry! i just find it super sucky, but i understand the whole reasoning behind it.

once i'm on my feet, i'll more than likely be purchasing GB in two months; november and march. November for the extra Gb and other stuff to then giveaway because well, i won't fucking need it. March because of the poaching event.



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peepy (#48100)

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2023-06-02 22:35:37
Back on the topic of thinly veiled begging by saying shit like "I'm out of food and I can't feed my lions :((("... I've just been pinging people with the Hunting page and watching carnage ensue. I recommend.



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[♰] Yharnam (#112370)

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Posted on
2023-06-02 22:42:30
need to normalize just re-directing users to game functions when they do this stuff. thank you for your efforts



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🦎Eli ☆ 💜💜
PURPOCALYPSE (#244875)

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Posted on
2023-06-14 13:39:25
In my opinion having Stud assets in a name is perfectly fine. As it is indeed how most newbies who don't understand the search feature will look. and I"m pretty darn sure that devs have said they allow that.

As for Event begging, "Poop me" is a completely free thing lol.

Anyways, sorry, this is a no support to me.



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Posted on
2023-06-14 13:41:24
I personally don't care at all about people having their main lion's attributes in their name, but I'm supporting for the ""subtle"" begging. The amount of times people yell about NEEDING something, to where I offer a solution, and they respond by saying they refuse to put in the effort to do that (thus admitting they just want it handed to them) is insane and extremely aggravating. Call me salty if you'd like but I can't stand it!



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[♰] Yharnam (#112370)

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Posted on
2023-06-14 13:44:17
🦎EliWazzHere :: Gifting isn't free, and they're the same event. I've seen it in titles as well. It's begging for assets. I will change the example to Gift Me not Poop Me, since pooping is free.

Fire 🔥🏳️‍🌈 (side) BLM (#131929) :: I don't think you're salty. I think we just want people to work for things, and a number of us are familiar with how some users will repeatedly take advantage of others' generosity.



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PURPOCALYPSE (#244875)

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Posted on
2023-06-14 13:46:25
Yeah? Well in the thread its said "Poop me" not "gift me" therefore i was answering to what was stated in the thread



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