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[△] Nadir (#108458)

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Posted on
2023-05-25 18:23:03
[ Support My Other Suggestions? ]

Revisiting Grandpaws
Fixing 99999 SB Branch Listing Spam
Making Sub Males More Useful
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Summary:

This suggestion is going to be kept relatively simple. There are some exploitable loopholes in the writing and enforcement of ToS and CoC which I am seeking to get patched. Myself and a number of other veterans have had conversations about these topics on and off for months, but it's been an issue for a very long time.

Additionally, since the only argument against enforcing display names to be void of stud advertisements that I have seen is that it "helps locate studs", I have created this suggestion for users to provide customizable, searchable keywords for their studs and lions in their bios.

Link to "Searchable Stud & Lion Keywords in Bio" Suggestion


What I Am Proposing

I am proposing the following changes:

Point 1: Re-Define & Enforce Begging Rules

Veiled Begging Still Constitutes Begging
Veiled begging or indirect begging is defined as follows: Open mentions which specifically state user goals and an exact amount that is needed, lamenting not having a specific item or lion, stating exact amounts needed to retrieve lost lions, etc.

Just because a user doesn't specifically use a variation of the phrase "Can I have x thing?" does not mean they are not begging.

Lioden users have learned they can use the variations of the following phrases to exploit a loophole in the rules and still receive the items they want:

"All of my lions just ran and now I need to somehow make 3200 SB."
"I just realized I don't have an IBF feather for my Dwarf's heat!! I need to find 2 GB quickly!"
"All of my lions are going to run tomorrow and I don't have any food!"
"I'm 5 GB away from being able to retire my king early!"

All of the above phrases are veiled begging frequently employed by users to ask for free assets without directly asking. Many veterans on this site know what users are doing, and many of us are getting frustrated that mods knowingly turn a blind eye to what the rest of us know is purposeful veiled begging.

SOLUTION:
Update policy on begging to prohibit behaviour which may be used to directly or indirectly ask for game resources.


Point 2: Re-Define & Enforce Display Name Conduct

Stud Advertisements.
Users are repeatedly warned for advertising studs in general, alluding to studs, linking to studs, and so forth. I think it's time we recognize that display names count toward that.

There is an obvious intent when a user sets their display as: Jane Doe: G1|x6Ros|Ferus

Every time the user talks in main chat, they are advertising their lion up for stud.
See: Link to "Searchable Stud & Lion Keywords in Bio" Suggestion

Asset Begging
Some users have GB goals in their display names, for example: John Doe[1/15 GB Goal!]
Goals should be on user dens, not in display names.

Event Begging
And December especially sees a rise in this: Doe Doe: GIFT ME!!
Preferences should be on user dens, not in display names.

This constitutes begging, even if it utilizes an indirect method of doing so.

SOLUTION:
Update policy on advertisements to prohibit advertisements of any kind in display names.



This suggestion has 88 supports and 48 NO supports.



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Edited on 14/06/23 @ 13:44:37 by [♰] Yharnam (#112370)

[♰] Yharnam (#112370)

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Posted on
2023-06-14 13:54:39
🦎EliWazzHere :: I modify and tweak these suggestions as I go, based on user input that I feel is fair, as it helps me refine them.

I felt that "poop me" in names is fair, because its free and not considered an asset, but gifts are.

Hope this helps.



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PURPOCALYPSE (#244875)

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Posted on
2023-06-14 13:55:32
Well yeah- i mean thats kinda what i said lol



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[♰] Yharnam (#112370)

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Posted on
2023-06-14 14:12:42
Cool, so it's been modified. Thanks.



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PURPOCALYPSE (#244875)

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Posted on
2023-06-14 14:48:28
^^



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Posted on
2023-08-21 08:32:39
I’ll be honest, I don’t understand the no support for the keyword suggestions as a replacement for advertising in your username? It sounds to me like it would be exactly the same but with the option to search for certain keywords *if* you want to. If you don’t want to type additional things into the keyword field, then that’s fine. Don’t do it and you can browse all of the lions and see all of the info from their keywords as you currently would see in their usernames…. But if you wanted to filter for “g1,g2” you could do that as well.

What’s objectionable?



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[♰] Yharnam (#112370)

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Posted on
2023-08-25 11:30:21
That was kind of my confusion. It'd be a better system, that let you put way more keywords in there, and hide it if you don't wanna see it.

It feels like it boils down to players knowing they get free advertising by talking in main chat, and not wanting that taken away. That's the only reason I can possibly come up with for why a better system wouldn't be wanted. Wolvden has keyword search, category search and so many useful filters.

Give us Wolvden's Generation Search feature and this would be a non-issue entirely. If we get Gen Search before this, I'd be interested in seeing if the tune changes.



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Corruptedhyena (#243378)


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Posted on
2023-08-25 11:41:07
My only issue (which has been mentioned before in comments, so i wont go in depth) is the pooping and gifting. I dont think that is begging. It is just you stating your preference.

Other than that I agree with everything else! I have this issue in my discord and most defiantly in lioden!



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[♰] Yharnam (#112370)

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Posted on
2023-08-25 11:44:01
TYSM Hyena <3 Yeah. I kinda wish during Christmas, they'd instead let users pick an icon to put on their profile that'd also display in chat. Maybe that way it could also be searchable.

Search in general could use an overhaul.



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Corruptedhyena (#243378)


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Posted on
2023-08-25 11:45:05
That is actually a very good idea! I would def support that! maybe a poop emoji and a gift emoji!



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