Posted by Making Sub Males More Useful [3300+ Support]

[△] Nadir (#108458)

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2017-12-13 11:26:03
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✪ Summary:

Currently, Sub Males have very limited uses. They can be kept as Heirs. They can patrol and bring back stats and occasionally an item. And that's it really. So currently, there's really only one reason to keep a Sub Male: As an Heir you're training up. Anything else is just another mouth to feed and takes up a slot you likely don't need.

So how about we add some ways for them to be more useful?

✪ What I Am Proposing:

I thought it'd be neat if we could add additional little things Sub Males can do to be more directly beneficial to keep. Here's some ideas!

Sending them out to "Rough Up", "Seek Council" or "Stand Guard". This would be an action which is on a cool down. 1 hour cooldown, independent of normal patrol cooldown.

"Rough Up" would:
-----✧ Give flavor text about beating up local hyenas, a rival lion, or terrorizing local animals or humans.
-----✧ Give Evil Karma; A randomized amount between -1 and -5.
-----✧ Give either a randomized amount of EXP scaled to your King's Level OR a random amount of SB between 25 and 100.

"Seek Council" would:
-----✧ Give flavor text about meeting with other prides, speaking with Sangoma, or seeking council with Lion Shamans.
-----✧ Give Good Karma; A randomized amount between 1 and 5.
-----✧ Give either a randomized amount of EXP scaled to your King's Level OR a random amount of SB between 25 and 100.

"Stand Guard" would:
-----✧ Give flavor text about standing guard near the edges of your territory and whether they defended it or it was boring, or there was an interesting encounter.
-----✧ Give No Karma.
-----✧ Give either a randomized amount of EXP scaled to your King's Level OR a random amount of SB between 25 and 100.

Sending them out to "Gather Supplies". This would be an action which is on a cool down. 1 hour cooldown, independent of normal patrol cooldown.

"Gathering Supplies" would:
-----✧ Have a large chance of finding a random, common item (food or toy).
-----✧ Have a moderate chance of finding a random, common junk (there's an extensive list).
-----✧ Have a small chance of finding a common decor (Moonlight, Skull Decors, Feather Decors, etc.)
-----✧ Have a rare chance of finding a rare but not event exclusive decor (Up to Admins)
-----✧ Have a very rare chance of finding a stat item of any type (food or toy)

HOWEVER...
There will also be a chance (probably like 25% I would say) that your sub male brings nothing back at all. This is input suggested by Rhodalite (#123309) and I feel it makes a lot of sense! Similar to a Patrol where nothing is gained, or a hunt where your females bring back nothing (or a leg, like what the fuck, girls, there's five of you, c'mon), sometimes they just won't bring anything back and won't earn any SB. Maybe the locals kicked their ass? Who knows! Your king would still get EXP and karma, however.

You would likely be able to do only one of these two options at a time, to avoid making it too easy to gain things, but this is up to the Admins. I'd also recommend that you be able to both patrol and do one of these, since realistically, your lion could very well patrol while on his way to do these things. But you could also have two different Sub Males do these things, so you can patrol your Heir for stats and still make use of your other males!

Per aloiria [2.2K g1 uneven] (#168423)'s suggestion: Similar to patrolling submales, if a submale does any of these activities, it will render them unable to be sex changed into a female.

In addition to all of this, at the suggestion of 🌈Eli (#84653), I am proposing an actual use for the experience bar on Sub Males!

➤ When being sent to Gather Supplies, Rough Up, Seek Council, or Stand Guard, a Sub Male would gain experience the same as females sent out on a hunt.

✧ A Sub Male would level up at the same rate as adult female lionesses, in the same way as females (no stat gain from levels).
-----✧ At higher levels, a Sub Male would have a better chance of finding less common items.
-----✧ At higher levels, a Sub Male would have a better chance of finding more items at once. I propose no more than three, with each item's rarity being rolled individually of one another. This means that finding one rare item but finding more than one does not mean all of them will be rare items, but rather one. The chances of finding multiple rare items at once would be very low.

If a sub male fails to bring anything back, he will still get experience, but I would suggest it be a much lower amount.

With daily type deals such as hunting and patrolling, we feel it is also important that there are reminder notifications. KiwiBerb (#140009) has reminded me of this, and I'm adding it.

➤ In order to prevent a flood of spam in regards to different types of notices regarding these activities, perhaps it might be good to 'stack' them. In this way, if a male is back from patrol, but ALSO a male has returned from, say, gathering supplies, it would display a notification for both at once, otherwise, it will display one or the other. Streamlining the player's experience is important! ... As is not getting buried under too many stacked notices!

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DISCUSSION TOPIC FOR FEEDBACK:
How would you guys feel about limiting it to 10 times a day with 10 SB per extra option, same as lionesses with hunts? Anyone wanna weigh in?
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POTENTIAL IDEA CONSIDERATION:
Submitted by Rae (#148083) :: A VERY small chance that you receive the message "SubMale was unsuccessful. He fell asleep during his patrol and bugs climbed in his mane!" or similar. You would receive 1-3 of the beetles for ANY months event (regardless of what month we are in) but ONLY the beetle currency and nothing else.
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If you have ideas for other things that could make Sub Males more useful, please let me know in the comments and I'll review it and talk about it with you, maybe even add it!

If you don't support, I'd like to know why. I appreciate constructive criticism over a simple "no".



This suggestion has 3333 supports and 13 NO supports.



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Edited on 06/03/24 @ 23:49:09 by [♰] Yharnam (#112370)

Something Royal (#21009)

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2018-08-11 05:33:35
Yes puh-lease Lioden make this a thing!



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s ᴀ ɢ ᴇ 🌿 (#90081)

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Posted on
2018-08-11 16:04:30
I love this idea and support it 100%. I love my sub males and wish they were more useful



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[△] Nadir (#108458)

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2018-08-30 00:21:37
We breached 1,400 Supports for this suggestion! Thank you so, so much to everyone who has supported, discussed details with me, and shared this. I cannot thank you enough for helping me get this suggestion this far!



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tonka-smilus
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Posted on
2018-08-30 22:18:27
I am a huge fan of pretty boy submales and absolutely love and support this idea!! <3



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Vulp ☀️ (#1102)

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Posted on
2018-08-31 17:46:34
I like it, nice idea!



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Vicky (#146595)

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Posted on
2018-09-01 23:32:44
I agree, but what do you think of the idea of studding out our submales and us being able to let multiple submales go out to negotiate with other prides or etc, and just like with hunting the females, you have a better chance at getting something back if you add more submales to go, and the limit for submales leaving could be 5.



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Winter (#153833)

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Posted on
2018-09-01 23:53:44
I am totally on board with the idea of more usefulness for subordinate males (instead of being expensive paperweights)!
But I don't think that sub males should be able to raise or lower karma because that right should be for kings only, as sub males are only the subordinate ones, not that actual "king".
I'd say that instead of karma changes, the male could get something else, perhaps an experience boost, and maybe even get some special prize after every few days (kinda like a rollover, when prizes get better and better each time you log on in the number of consecutive days). Not sure how to word it, but i hope you get the idea ^^



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[△] Nadir (#108458)

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2018-09-02 00:49:00
Winter (#153833) :: The way I am interpreting it, is that it is your King giving the orders, and so the consequences of their actions fall upon the King's head. The sub male is merely subservient to the whims of his leader.

I am hesitant on the front of prizes, because I feel like this is already fairly substantial. I don't really want to add too much more extra features to this, since I'm already worried most of this will be discarded if it is implemented.



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Winter (#153833)

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2018-09-02 10:03:46
Ahh ok I see! I didn't realize that it was the king giving out the orders ^^
And as for the prize thing, I was really hesitant about that too so yee



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Scruffy Shattered
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Posted on
2018-09-09 04:57:11
Which one gets karma, sub male or king?



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[△] Nadir (#108458)

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Posted on
2018-09-09 05:01:30
Scruffy Shattered ★彡 (#117374) :: Sub males cannot gain karma, only kings.



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Razhor's AI (#109883)

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Posted on
2018-09-12 18:40:47
I wholeheartedly support this. Instead of taking up space, the boys will finally feel like an actual member of our prides. ALSO! Vincent, your profile avatar is amazing and I loveeeee love the artstyle.



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[△] Nadir (#108458)

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Posted on
2018-09-12 19:28:23
Fiv (#109883) :: I'm so happy you do! ♥ I myself would look forward to having my sub males that aren't heirs being much more useful.

And thank you, it's by a player on here who goes by - or did last I checked - Dracula.



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[△] Nadir (#108458)

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2018-09-12 19:56:06


🎊 1,500 SUPPORTS MILESTONE 🎊

We've reached 1,500 Supports and I'm excited as hell.
Thank you so much everyone for your support, input and feedback!






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Edited on 12/09/18 @ 19:59:35 by -:[ ᴠɪɴᴄᴇɴᴛ ]:- (#108458)

Scruffy Shattered
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Posted on
2018-09-13 18:26:16
I have an idea :0
What if sub males can gain karma along with the king, so if you were to establish an evil or good king, you could do that ahead of time with your heir



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