Posted by Making Sub Males More Useful [3300+ Support]

[△] Nadir (#108458)

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2017-12-13 11:26:03
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✪ Summary:

Currently, Sub Males have very limited uses. They can be kept as Heirs. They can patrol and bring back stats and occasionally an item. And that's it really. So currently, there's really only one reason to keep a Sub Male: As an Heir you're training up. Anything else is just another mouth to feed and takes up a slot you likely don't need.

So how about we add some ways for them to be more useful?

✪ What I Am Proposing:

I thought it'd be neat if we could add additional little things Sub Males can do to be more directly beneficial to keep. Here's some ideas!

Sending them out to "Rough Up", "Seek Council" or "Stand Guard". This would be an action which is on a cool down. 1 hour cooldown, independent of normal patrol cooldown.

"Rough Up" would:
-----✧ Give flavor text about beating up local hyenas, a rival lion, or terrorizing local animals or humans.
-----✧ Give Evil Karma; A randomized amount between -1 and -5.
-----✧ Give either a randomized amount of EXP scaled to your King's Level OR a random amount of SB between 25 and 100.

"Seek Council" would:
-----✧ Give flavor text about meeting with other prides, speaking with Sangoma, or seeking council with Lion Shamans.
-----✧ Give Good Karma; A randomized amount between 1 and 5.
-----✧ Give either a randomized amount of EXP scaled to your King's Level OR a random amount of SB between 25 and 100.

"Stand Guard" would:
-----✧ Give flavor text about standing guard near the edges of your territory and whether they defended it or it was boring, or there was an interesting encounter.
-----✧ Give No Karma.
-----✧ Give either a randomized amount of EXP scaled to your King's Level OR a random amount of SB between 25 and 100.

Sending them out to "Gather Supplies". This would be an action which is on a cool down. 1 hour cooldown, independent of normal patrol cooldown.

"Gathering Supplies" would:
-----✧ Have a large chance of finding a random, common item (food or toy).
-----✧ Have a moderate chance of finding a random, common junk (there's an extensive list).
-----✧ Have a small chance of finding a common decor (Moonlight, Skull Decors, Feather Decors, etc.)
-----✧ Have a rare chance of finding a rare but not event exclusive decor (Up to Admins)
-----✧ Have a very rare chance of finding a stat item of any type (food or toy)

HOWEVER...
There will also be a chance (probably like 25% I would say) that your sub male brings nothing back at all. This is input suggested by Rhodalite (#123309) and I feel it makes a lot of sense! Similar to a Patrol where nothing is gained, or a hunt where your females bring back nothing (or a leg, like what the fuck, girls, there's five of you, c'mon), sometimes they just won't bring anything back and won't earn any SB. Maybe the locals kicked their ass? Who knows! Your king would still get EXP and karma, however.

You would likely be able to do only one of these two options at a time, to avoid making it too easy to gain things, but this is up to the Admins. I'd also recommend that you be able to both patrol and do one of these, since realistically, your lion could very well patrol while on his way to do these things. But you could also have two different Sub Males do these things, so you can patrol your Heir for stats and still make use of your other males!

Per aloiria [2.2K g1 uneven] (#168423)'s suggestion: Similar to patrolling submales, if a submale does any of these activities, it will render them unable to be sex changed into a female.

In addition to all of this, at the suggestion of 🌈Eli (#84653), I am proposing an actual use for the experience bar on Sub Males!

➤ When being sent to Gather Supplies, Rough Up, Seek Council, or Stand Guard, a Sub Male would gain experience the same as females sent out on a hunt.

✧ A Sub Male would level up at the same rate as adult female lionesses, in the same way as females (no stat gain from levels).
-----✧ At higher levels, a Sub Male would have a better chance of finding less common items.
-----✧ At higher levels, a Sub Male would have a better chance of finding more items at once. I propose no more than three, with each item's rarity being rolled individually of one another. This means that finding one rare item but finding more than one does not mean all of them will be rare items, but rather one. The chances of finding multiple rare items at once would be very low.

If a sub male fails to bring anything back, he will still get experience, but I would suggest it be a much lower amount.

With daily type deals such as hunting and patrolling, we feel it is also important that there are reminder notifications. KiwiBerb (#140009) has reminded me of this, and I'm adding it.

➤ In order to prevent a flood of spam in regards to different types of notices regarding these activities, perhaps it might be good to 'stack' them. In this way, if a male is back from patrol, but ALSO a male has returned from, say, gathering supplies, it would display a notification for both at once, otherwise, it will display one or the other. Streamlining the player's experience is important! ... As is not getting buried under too many stacked notices!

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DISCUSSION TOPIC FOR FEEDBACK:
How would you guys feel about limiting it to 10 times a day with 10 SB per extra option, same as lionesses with hunts? Anyone wanna weigh in?
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POTENTIAL IDEA CONSIDERATION:
Submitted by Rae (#148083) :: A VERY small chance that you receive the message "SubMale was unsuccessful. He fell asleep during his patrol and bugs climbed in his mane!" or similar. You would receive 1-3 of the beetles for ANY months event (regardless of what month we are in) but ONLY the beetle currency and nothing else.
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If you have ideas for other things that could make Sub Males more useful, please let me know in the comments and I'll review it and talk about it with you, maybe even add it!

If you don't support, I'd like to know why. I appreciate constructive criticism over a simple "no".



This suggestion has 3333 supports and 13 NO supports.



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Edited on 06/03/24 @ 23:49:09 by [♰] Yharnam (#112370)

aloiria [2.2K g1
uneven] (#168423)

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Posted on
2020-05-01 09:06:43
Honestly why hasn’t this been added or announced yet ?

Hibiscus base got added at 900 Supports, this is over double that and barely any no supports. It’s well thought out and doesn’t break the game.

(Might’ve missed this part, but I wanted to add a bit on as well).Once you send a submale to do one of the many things, similar to patroling or hunting, they can’t be sex changed. That way people cant keep submales solely for the benefits, then sex change them to females.



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[△] Nadir (#108458)

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2020-05-01 09:38:55
Yeah, I'm not sure why nothing has been said. It could be that it takes longer to code entirely new parts of the game, since they have to effectively overhaul the submale part. But two years is a long time, I admit.

I'm just going to stay hopeful. A lot of people want this really badly. People just want a reason to keep submales. I do too. Thank you for the kind comment on it. I try my best to always incorporate reasonable feedback so it's more what the community wants.

I will make sure to include the part where you cannot sex change a submale after they have done any of these activities. Thank you for that, as I missed it.



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Ezgati~Crazy Panther
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2020-05-01 09:50:32
I just hope, that they will start working on this after opening of Wolvden. Coders working on the other game will have a litlle bit more time and maybe they will start on this. One can hope...



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Sharturnet46 (#200051)

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Posted on
2020-06-02 21:42:35
Support!



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Posted on
2020-10-23 11:15:25
support



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Pomeranian (#219858)

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Posted on
2020-10-28 03:26:41
I absolutely love this!



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#Pound (#93642)

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Posted on
2020-11-02 21:19:25
I love this idea! I've always wished I had more incentive to keep my pretty males as subs since I feel bad when I have to get rid of them as they start to take up space.

This idea would be the perfect solution. It might even help ease the significant number of male cubs that are abandoned at the tree.



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Hanna (#12923)

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Posted on
2020-11-07 15:49:47
Full support!



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FNaF Foxy {Clean
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Posted on
2020-11-07 16:01:06
Yaaaaaaas, i would LOVE to use my boyos more instead of just training one to be an heir.
It gives more choices as well an i'd love that esp with the way I play <3

With so much support i'm hoping the staff will make this a thing <3
Still surprised the staff hasn't done something about Sub males sooner tbh :/
Then again they're now with Two games so i can imagine the work they must need to do but i can wait for some new changes so long as it's confirmed to happen <3



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Tokoyami (#236613)

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Posted on
2021-07-05 08:43:38
2,500+ support, and yet this still hasn't been added. This is a GREAT idea, and the staff should've added this in YEARS ago!



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[△] Nadir (#108458)

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2021-07-05 09:49:28
Thank you for the support. Ultimately, it's the dev team's suggestion, but yeah, I admit it's been going on for a while. Many people who supported this don't even play anymore. I'll keep trying.



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Firestar102🔥 (#79468)

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Posted on
2022-02-16 22:48:29
i am one who supported years ago, and i still love the idea i use my pride as a kinda "warrior cats" thing and having males who arent the heir aka "deputy" will sometimes become "medicine lions" who i just have to pretend go collecting medical herbs with their patrols like in wolvden(i really love wolvden's sickness system) and would give males more than just a theoretical use



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[♰] Yharnam (#112370)

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Posted on
2022-02-18 02:59:04
Thank you for the feedback and your continued support!!



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333Brave333 (#247171)

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Posted on
2022-03-16 09:54:45
Support! Although, I would argue that patrolling is already gathering supplies, and it does have a chance to bring nothing back.



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Ezgati~Crazy Panther
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Posted on
2022-04-13 00:26:38
Still around and still waiting for this to happen...



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