Posted by Making Sub Males More Useful [3300+ Support]

[△] Nadir (#108458)

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2017-12-13 11:26:03
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✪ Summary:

Currently, Sub Males have very limited uses. They can be kept as Heirs. They can patrol and bring back stats and occasionally an item. And that's it really. So currently, there's really only one reason to keep a Sub Male: As an Heir you're training up. Anything else is just another mouth to feed and takes up a slot you likely don't need.

So how about we add some ways for them to be more useful?

✪ What I Am Proposing:

I thought it'd be neat if we could add additional little things Sub Males can do to be more directly beneficial to keep. Here's some ideas!

Sending them out to "Rough Up", "Seek Council" or "Stand Guard". This would be an action which is on a cool down. 1 hour cooldown, independent of normal patrol cooldown.

"Rough Up" would:
-----✧ Give flavor text about beating up local hyenas, a rival lion, or terrorizing local animals or humans.
-----✧ Give Evil Karma; A randomized amount between -1 and -5.
-----✧ Give either a randomized amount of EXP scaled to your King's Level OR a random amount of SB between 25 and 100.

"Seek Council" would:
-----✧ Give flavor text about meeting with other prides, speaking with Sangoma, or seeking council with Lion Shamans.
-----✧ Give Good Karma; A randomized amount between 1 and 5.
-----✧ Give either a randomized amount of EXP scaled to your King's Level OR a random amount of SB between 25 and 100.

"Stand Guard" would:
-----✧ Give flavor text about standing guard near the edges of your territory and whether they defended it or it was boring, or there was an interesting encounter.
-----✧ Give No Karma.
-----✧ Give either a randomized amount of EXP scaled to your King's Level OR a random amount of SB between 25 and 100.

Sending them out to "Gather Supplies". This would be an action which is on a cool down. 1 hour cooldown, independent of normal patrol cooldown.

"Gathering Supplies" would:
-----✧ Have a large chance of finding a random, common item (food or toy).
-----✧ Have a moderate chance of finding a random, common junk (there's an extensive list).
-----✧ Have a small chance of finding a common decor (Moonlight, Skull Decors, Feather Decors, etc.)
-----✧ Have a rare chance of finding a rare but not event exclusive decor (Up to Admins)
-----✧ Have a very rare chance of finding a stat item of any type (food or toy)

HOWEVER...
There will also be a chance (probably like 25% I would say) that your sub male brings nothing back at all. This is input suggested by Rhodalite (#123309) and I feel it makes a lot of sense! Similar to a Patrol where nothing is gained, or a hunt where your females bring back nothing (or a leg, like what the fuck, girls, there's five of you, c'mon), sometimes they just won't bring anything back and won't earn any SB. Maybe the locals kicked their ass? Who knows! Your king would still get EXP and karma, however.

You would likely be able to do only one of these two options at a time, to avoid making it too easy to gain things, but this is up to the Admins. I'd also recommend that you be able to both patrol and do one of these, since realistically, your lion could very well patrol while on his way to do these things. But you could also have two different Sub Males do these things, so you can patrol your Heir for stats and still make use of your other males!

Per aloiria [2.2K g1 uneven] (#168423)'s suggestion: Similar to patrolling submales, if a submale does any of these activities, it will render them unable to be sex changed into a female.

In addition to all of this, at the suggestion of 🌈Eli (#84653), I am proposing an actual use for the experience bar on Sub Males!

➤ When being sent to Gather Supplies, Rough Up, Seek Council, or Stand Guard, a Sub Male would gain experience the same as females sent out on a hunt.

✧ A Sub Male would level up at the same rate as adult female lionesses, in the same way as females (no stat gain from levels).
-----✧ At higher levels, a Sub Male would have a better chance of finding less common items.
-----✧ At higher levels, a Sub Male would have a better chance of finding more items at once. I propose no more than three, with each item's rarity being rolled individually of one another. This means that finding one rare item but finding more than one does not mean all of them will be rare items, but rather one. The chances of finding multiple rare items at once would be very low.

If a sub male fails to bring anything back, he will still get experience, but I would suggest it be a much lower amount.

With daily type deals such as hunting and patrolling, we feel it is also important that there are reminder notifications. KiwiBerb (#140009) has reminded me of this, and I'm adding it.

➤ In order to prevent a flood of spam in regards to different types of notices regarding these activities, perhaps it might be good to 'stack' them. In this way, if a male is back from patrol, but ALSO a male has returned from, say, gathering supplies, it would display a notification for both at once, otherwise, it will display one or the other. Streamlining the player's experience is important! ... As is not getting buried under too many stacked notices!

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DISCUSSION TOPIC FOR FEEDBACK:
How would you guys feel about limiting it to 10 times a day with 10 SB per extra option, same as lionesses with hunts? Anyone wanna weigh in?
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POTENTIAL IDEA CONSIDERATION:
Submitted by Rae (#148083) :: A VERY small chance that you receive the message "SubMale was unsuccessful. He fell asleep during his patrol and bugs climbed in his mane!" or similar. You would receive 1-3 of the beetles for ANY months event (regardless of what month we are in) but ONLY the beetle currency and nothing else.
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If you have ideas for other things that could make Sub Males more useful, please let me know in the comments and I'll review it and talk about it with you, maybe even add it!

If you don't support, I'd like to know why. I appreciate constructive criticism over a simple "no".



This suggestion has 3333 supports and 13 NO supports.



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Edited on 06/03/24 @ 23:49:09 by [♰] Yharnam (#112370)

[△] Nadir (#108458)

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2018-08-03 22:09:00
Polveroso (#138352) :: Yeah, patrolling a sub male and gaining stats on him is cool and all... but for what purpose? Maybe he'll bring back a decor or food or toy now and then but beyond that it's kind of...

Also, the Patrol page is already in use. I think it would be simpler to just provide a button to go to different sections from there, or have all of these available in one spot. ^^ Lumping males in with females for dailies might get a bit confusing.




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Polveroso (#138352)

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2018-08-03 22:10:32
Yeah, I guess that does make sense.



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Neko (Clean x2
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2018-08-04 06:13:00
Love the idea almost entirely. My one issue is the experience bar. Upon level up, lions gain quite a bit of stats. Say you place them as King and these stat gains would remain, but the King would be shot down to level 1 again and easily gain even more stats. Basically, it'd be countless times better than patrolling for stats.

I believe that part should be scrapped, otherwise I agree almost entirely.



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[△] Nadir (#108458)

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2018-08-04 06:22:26
Neko (Mottled Quad Sunset) (#134871) :: Females don't gain stats. I am suggesting they level the exact same way as females.



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[△] Nadir (#108458)

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2018-08-04 06:23:22
I added a clarification just in case:

✧ A Sub Male would level up at the same rate as adult female lionesses, in the same way as females (no stat gain from levels).



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Neko (Clean x2
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2018-08-04 06:29:04
@Vincent Full support then



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[△] Nadir (#108458)

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2018-08-04 06:36:14
Neko (Mottled Quad Sunset) (#134871) :: I'm glad you're happy with it. ; v; Thank you!



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Rhodalite (#123309)

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2018-08-05 06:29:15
If it's 10sb for extra, but your guaranteed 25-100 sb, then it isn't really a limit. Maybe like the lionesses there could be a chance of not getting anything.



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[△] Nadir (#108458)

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2018-08-05 17:42:09
Rhodalite (#123309) :: Good idea, lemme tack that in there, since that also applies to sub male patrols. Thank you!



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[△] Nadir (#108458)

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2018-08-05 17:47:58
The following sections have been added:

HOWEVER...
There will also be a chance (probably like 25% I would say) that your sub male brings nothing back at all. This is input suggested by Rhodalite (#123309) and I feel it makes a lot of sense! Similar to a Patrol where nothing is gained, or a hunt where your females bring back nothing (or a leg, like what the fuck, girls, there's five of you, c'mon), sometimes they just won't bring anything back and won't earn any SB. Maybe the locals kicked their ass? Who knows! Your king would still get EXP and karma, however.

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If a sub male fails to bring anything back, he will still get experience, but I would suggest it be a much lower amount.

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Thank you so much for your input so far, everyone!



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Kasai (#152782)

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2018-08-06 23:38:55
I currently only have 2 sub male slots and like 5+ males LOL they're all gorgeous, I love how they can patrol and get items and I love that you can bring an adolescent along for some training ! I thought cubs stop gaining training exp once they reach adolescence but females can hunt with adults and males can patrol and I love that. They are able to gain exp throughout their lives.
I would like if sub males could help lower the chance of someone gaining territory from you or help YOU gain territory from someone else ! My stats always manage to be lower than everybody elses in territory, because I'm a new player and everybody else either has years of experience or their territory was snatched before me LOL
I dont even look for territory anymore because of it, it will take me a long time to get stats like everyone else



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[♰] Yharnam (#112370)

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2018-08-07 00:20:11
Kasai (#152782) :: Currently there is a degree of prevention of territory gain. Defending lions receive a 'buff' in stats. I don't know the exact number, but the lion defending gets re-stated during PVP rolls to have higher stats as the defender. It scales according to what their stats are currently. This can sometimes be enough to prevent the defending lion from getting territory.

My best advice to you for easy stat gain would be to go into search and type your level in, and look at the 'stats' column. On the front page currently, there's at least 2 lions with stats in the 60s, which you should be able to beat pretty easy. This is how I do my first 40 territory slots!

I hope that helps, but something that might also help is doing Baoball every day, and battling for skill, which raises your over-all stats and (I believe) helps with PVP and battles? A helper, mod or admin could correct me on that though. I'm not sure if it does anything, this is just what I've heard.

Either way, this is more useful than using the territory map.

EDIT: Oop... posted on my side, but yeah. x_x



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Edited on 07/08/18 @ 00:24:29 by -:[ ʙᴇɴɴᴇᴛᴛ ]:- (#112370)

Kasai (#152782)

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2018-08-07 02:52:48
thats kinda neat, I never noticed that !!
I took your advice and it's SO much easier omg thank you SO much !!! I do baoball every day : ) and when I cant battle for territory I do skill !! I believe it does help improve PVP lol



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[△] Nadir (#108458)

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2018-08-07 03:44:58
Kasai (#152782) :: You're so welcome! ; v; Hopefully you can get your full 40 free territory no problem now!



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[♰] Yharnam (#112370)

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2018-08-10 18:38:53
Finally breached 1,300 supports, guys! Thank you so much for sticking with me through this. ; v; It's been a long road for this suggestion. Thank you so much for your feedback, your time you have taken to discuss things with me, and your wonderful input! ♥



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