Posted by Making Sub Males More Useful [3300+ Support]

[△] Nadir (#108458)

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2017-12-13 11:26:03
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✪ Summary:

Currently, Sub Males have very limited uses. They can be kept as Heirs. They can patrol and bring back stats and occasionally an item. And that's it really. So currently, there's really only one reason to keep a Sub Male: As an Heir you're training up. Anything else is just another mouth to feed and takes up a slot you likely don't need.

So how about we add some ways for them to be more useful?

✪ What I Am Proposing:

I thought it'd be neat if we could add additional little things Sub Males can do to be more directly beneficial to keep. Here's some ideas!

Sending them out to "Rough Up", "Seek Council" or "Stand Guard". This would be an action which is on a cool down. 1 hour cooldown, independent of normal patrol cooldown.

"Rough Up" would:
-----✧ Give flavor text about beating up local hyenas, a rival lion, or terrorizing local animals or humans.
-----✧ Give Evil Karma; A randomized amount between -1 and -5.
-----✧ Give either a randomized amount of EXP scaled to your King's Level OR a random amount of SB between 25 and 100.

"Seek Council" would:
-----✧ Give flavor text about meeting with other prides, speaking with Sangoma, or seeking council with Lion Shamans.
-----✧ Give Good Karma; A randomized amount between 1 and 5.
-----✧ Give either a randomized amount of EXP scaled to your King's Level OR a random amount of SB between 25 and 100.

"Stand Guard" would:
-----✧ Give flavor text about standing guard near the edges of your territory and whether they defended it or it was boring, or there was an interesting encounter.
-----✧ Give No Karma.
-----✧ Give either a randomized amount of EXP scaled to your King's Level OR a random amount of SB between 25 and 100.

Sending them out to "Gather Supplies". This would be an action which is on a cool down. 1 hour cooldown, independent of normal patrol cooldown.

"Gathering Supplies" would:
-----✧ Have a large chance of finding a random, common item (food or toy).
-----✧ Have a moderate chance of finding a random, common junk (there's an extensive list).
-----✧ Have a small chance of finding a common decor (Moonlight, Skull Decors, Feather Decors, etc.)
-----✧ Have a rare chance of finding a rare but not event exclusive decor (Up to Admins)
-----✧ Have a very rare chance of finding a stat item of any type (food or toy)

HOWEVER...
There will also be a chance (probably like 25% I would say) that your sub male brings nothing back at all. This is input suggested by Rhodalite (#123309) and I feel it makes a lot of sense! Similar to a Patrol where nothing is gained, or a hunt where your females bring back nothing (or a leg, like what the fuck, girls, there's five of you, c'mon), sometimes they just won't bring anything back and won't earn any SB. Maybe the locals kicked their ass? Who knows! Your king would still get EXP and karma, however.

You would likely be able to do only one of these two options at a time, to avoid making it too easy to gain things, but this is up to the Admins. I'd also recommend that you be able to both patrol and do one of these, since realistically, your lion could very well patrol while on his way to do these things. But you could also have two different Sub Males do these things, so you can patrol your Heir for stats and still make use of your other males!

Per aloiria [2.2K g1 uneven] (#168423)'s suggestion: Similar to patrolling submales, if a submale does any of these activities, it will render them unable to be sex changed into a female.

In addition to all of this, at the suggestion of 🌈Eli (#84653), I am proposing an actual use for the experience bar on Sub Males!

➤ When being sent to Gather Supplies, Rough Up, Seek Council, or Stand Guard, a Sub Male would gain experience the same as females sent out on a hunt.

✧ A Sub Male would level up at the same rate as adult female lionesses, in the same way as females (no stat gain from levels).
-----✧ At higher levels, a Sub Male would have a better chance of finding less common items.
-----✧ At higher levels, a Sub Male would have a better chance of finding more items at once. I propose no more than three, with each item's rarity being rolled individually of one another. This means that finding one rare item but finding more than one does not mean all of them will be rare items, but rather one. The chances of finding multiple rare items at once would be very low.

If a sub male fails to bring anything back, he will still get experience, but I would suggest it be a much lower amount.

With daily type deals such as hunting and patrolling, we feel it is also important that there are reminder notifications. KiwiBerb (#140009) has reminded me of this, and I'm adding it.

➤ In order to prevent a flood of spam in regards to different types of notices regarding these activities, perhaps it might be good to 'stack' them. In this way, if a male is back from patrol, but ALSO a male has returned from, say, gathering supplies, it would display a notification for both at once, otherwise, it will display one or the other. Streamlining the player's experience is important! ... As is not getting buried under too many stacked notices!

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DISCUSSION TOPIC FOR FEEDBACK:
How would you guys feel about limiting it to 10 times a day with 10 SB per extra option, same as lionesses with hunts? Anyone wanna weigh in?
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POTENTIAL IDEA CONSIDERATION:
Submitted by Rae (#148083) :: A VERY small chance that you receive the message "SubMale was unsuccessful. He fell asleep during his patrol and bugs climbed in his mane!" or similar. You would receive 1-3 of the beetles for ANY months event (regardless of what month we are in) but ONLY the beetle currency and nothing else.
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If you have ideas for other things that could make Sub Males more useful, please let me know in the comments and I'll review it and talk about it with you, maybe even add it!

If you don't support, I'd like to know why. I appreciate constructive criticism over a simple "no".



This suggestion has 3333 supports and 13 NO supports.



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Edited on 06/03/24 @ 23:49:09 by [♰] Yharnam (#112370)

birchclan (#116541)

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2018-07-18 01:59:32
I support this!Ryeclaw basicly just sits there looking adorable with his floppy ears and occasionally bringing back something to the pride from patrol.He was originally going to be the heir,but i keep finding better cubs at the tree that i could use as a heir.I wish he had more uses.



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Firestar102🔥 (#79468)

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2018-07-27 23:57:23
i love the idea but would the EXP be given to the sub male even though if you end up doing those with your heir and king him the EXP would be wasted since dont male's levels reset once kinged?



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[△] Nadir (#108458)

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2018-07-28 00:07:20
Firestar102🔥 (#79468) :: No, it would go to the king you currently have.



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Firestar102🔥 (#79468)

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2018-07-28 00:09:51
ah coolio and i apparently supported already? wut



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[△] Nadir (#108458)

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2018-07-28 00:10:58
Lmao it happens. xD



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💎⭐ Kiita
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2018-07-28 16:35:29
YES this is brilliant! There's really nothing else to say. I especially love the Gather Supplies option, that would be so useful! Really well thought out idea. 100% support. <3



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🌈Grc (#84653)


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2018-07-28 16:39:29
I think it would be nice if it was like hunting with lionesses, the male lion could get exp and the higher his level, the better stuff he brings back?



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[△] Nadir (#108458)

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2018-07-28 18:25:44
🌈Eli (#84653) :: That's actually neat. It'd give the sub males leader board more purpose and also actually make use of the experience bar on males. Not only that, losing the EXP when kinged would provide an interesting choice in whether or not you'd want to use EXP boosting items only to have that progress disappear if you decided to king him, just to get a chance at better things.

I like this! I'm gunna type something up about it and throw it into the main suggestion! Thank you so much!



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Fawn White Star
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2018-07-28 18:44:39
I would suggest maybe in pride breeding to sub males as well. Like maybe the ability to breed anyone in your pride to him and he'd get 5 slots a week. This would help make him more essential to a pride and add more diversity. ^^



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[△] Nadir (#108458)

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2018-07-28 18:52:27
Fawn White Star <3 (#85057) :: This isn't coming from me, but rather that Sub Males being able to breed has been rejected by Xylax already.

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You can view the list of rejected submissions here.



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Fawn White Star
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2018-07-29 13:41:30
@vincent oohh i get it, i still support the idea of making them more useful ^^ great suggestion



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[△] Nadir (#108458)

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2018-07-29 14:21:28
Fawn White Star <3 (#85057) :: Thank you so much! I'm so happy that this many people think it'd be good.



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Kiwibirb.:G2 Cinna:. (#140009)

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2018-08-03 22:00:43
i would love this idea even more if there was a popup notification like the hunting party notifications! otherwise me (and i think most casual players like me) will totally forget about this awesome thing!



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Edited on 03/08/18 @ 22:03:55 by KiwiBerb (#140009)

[△] Nadir (#108458)

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2018-08-03 22:02:58
KiwiBerb (#140009) :: Totally. They DID forget to add it for patrols. Lemme tack that on there! Thank you. ^^



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Polveroso (#138352)

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2018-08-03 22:04:07
I love this is idea! I can’t tell you how many times I have begrudgingly chased a beautiful male because I know he won’t be of and use to me in the future.

Edit: Maybe the page where you do these actions could be accessible from the lionesse hunting page, to make things go smoother? Just a thought!



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Edited on 03/08/18 @ 22:08:09 by Polveroso (#138352)







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