Posted by Making Sub Males More Useful [3300+ Support]

[△] Nadir (#108458)

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2017-12-13 11:26:03
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✪ Summary:

Currently, Sub Males have very limited uses. They can be kept as Heirs. They can patrol and bring back stats and occasionally an item. And that's it really. So currently, there's really only one reason to keep a Sub Male: As an Heir you're training up. Anything else is just another mouth to feed and takes up a slot you likely don't need.

So how about we add some ways for them to be more useful?

✪ What I Am Proposing:

I thought it'd be neat if we could add additional little things Sub Males can do to be more directly beneficial to keep. Here's some ideas!

Sending them out to "Rough Up", "Seek Council" or "Stand Guard". This would be an action which is on a cool down. 1 hour cooldown, independent of normal patrol cooldown.

"Rough Up" would:
-----✧ Give flavor text about beating up local hyenas, a rival lion, or terrorizing local animals or humans.
-----✧ Give Evil Karma; A randomized amount between -1 and -5.
-----✧ Give either a randomized amount of EXP scaled to your King's Level OR a random amount of SB between 25 and 100.

"Seek Council" would:
-----✧ Give flavor text about meeting with other prides, speaking with Sangoma, or seeking council with Lion Shamans.
-----✧ Give Good Karma; A randomized amount between 1 and 5.
-----✧ Give either a randomized amount of EXP scaled to your King's Level OR a random amount of SB between 25 and 100.

"Stand Guard" would:
-----✧ Give flavor text about standing guard near the edges of your territory and whether they defended it or it was boring, or there was an interesting encounter.
-----✧ Give No Karma.
-----✧ Give either a randomized amount of EXP scaled to your King's Level OR a random amount of SB between 25 and 100.

Sending them out to "Gather Supplies". This would be an action which is on a cool down. 1 hour cooldown, independent of normal patrol cooldown.

"Gathering Supplies" would:
-----✧ Have a large chance of finding a random, common item (food or toy).
-----✧ Have a moderate chance of finding a random, common junk (there's an extensive list).
-----✧ Have a small chance of finding a common decor (Moonlight, Skull Decors, Feather Decors, etc.)
-----✧ Have a rare chance of finding a rare but not event exclusive decor (Up to Admins)
-----✧ Have a very rare chance of finding a stat item of any type (food or toy)

HOWEVER...
There will also be a chance (probably like 25% I would say) that your sub male brings nothing back at all. This is input suggested by Rhodalite (#123309) and I feel it makes a lot of sense! Similar to a Patrol where nothing is gained, or a hunt where your females bring back nothing (or a leg, like what the fuck, girls, there's five of you, c'mon), sometimes they just won't bring anything back and won't earn any SB. Maybe the locals kicked their ass? Who knows! Your king would still get EXP and karma, however.

You would likely be able to do only one of these two options at a time, to avoid making it too easy to gain things, but this is up to the Admins. I'd also recommend that you be able to both patrol and do one of these, since realistically, your lion could very well patrol while on his way to do these things. But you could also have two different Sub Males do these things, so you can patrol your Heir for stats and still make use of your other males!

Per aloiria [2.2K g1 uneven] (#168423)'s suggestion: Similar to patrolling submales, if a submale does any of these activities, it will render them unable to be sex changed into a female.

In addition to all of this, at the suggestion of 🌈Eli (#84653), I am proposing an actual use for the experience bar on Sub Males!

➤ When being sent to Gather Supplies, Rough Up, Seek Council, or Stand Guard, a Sub Male would gain experience the same as females sent out on a hunt.

✧ A Sub Male would level up at the same rate as adult female lionesses, in the same way as females (no stat gain from levels).
-----✧ At higher levels, a Sub Male would have a better chance of finding less common items.
-----✧ At higher levels, a Sub Male would have a better chance of finding more items at once. I propose no more than three, with each item's rarity being rolled individually of one another. This means that finding one rare item but finding more than one does not mean all of them will be rare items, but rather one. The chances of finding multiple rare items at once would be very low.

If a sub male fails to bring anything back, he will still get experience, but I would suggest it be a much lower amount.

With daily type deals such as hunting and patrolling, we feel it is also important that there are reminder notifications. KiwiBerb (#140009) has reminded me of this, and I'm adding it.

➤ In order to prevent a flood of spam in regards to different types of notices regarding these activities, perhaps it might be good to 'stack' them. In this way, if a male is back from patrol, but ALSO a male has returned from, say, gathering supplies, it would display a notification for both at once, otherwise, it will display one or the other. Streamlining the player's experience is important! ... As is not getting buried under too many stacked notices!

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DISCUSSION TOPIC FOR FEEDBACK:
How would you guys feel about limiting it to 10 times a day with 10 SB per extra option, same as lionesses with hunts? Anyone wanna weigh in?
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POTENTIAL IDEA CONSIDERATION:
Submitted by Rae (#148083) :: A VERY small chance that you receive the message "SubMale was unsuccessful. He fell asleep during his patrol and bugs climbed in his mane!" or similar. You would receive 1-3 of the beetles for ANY months event (regardless of what month we are in) but ONLY the beetle currency and nothing else.
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If you have ideas for other things that could make Sub Males more useful, please let me know in the comments and I'll review it and talk about it with you, maybe even add it!

If you don't support, I'd like to know why. I appreciate constructive criticism over a simple "no".



This suggestion has 3333 supports and 13 NO supports.



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Edited on 06/03/24 @ 23:49:09 by [♰] Yharnam (#112370)

[△] Nadir (#108458)

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Posted on
2018-06-28 02:09:59
Ali (#80161) :: While I considered it, you can technically hunt with females as many times as you want, but you have to refresh slots... OOOR just have more lionesses, so really the limit I don't feel would be too fair.

More feedback would be required but if we left it at 10 times a day with 10sb per refresh same as lionesses with hunts, I don't see a downside to it? Anyone wanna weigh in?



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Ali (#80161)

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Posted on
2018-06-28 06:08:07
That sounds reasonable



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🌈Grc (#84653)


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Posted on
2018-07-03 18:38:09
I 100% support this! I love having submales other than my heir, and it would be really nice if they could do other things while my heir patrols.



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Posted on
2018-07-04 20:24:59
Woah, total support! Right now subs aren't really worth keeping unless you want an heir. .-.



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[△] Nadir (#108458)

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2018-07-04 20:27:03
Thank you so much everyone for the overwhelmingly positive support so far! I'm so happy I've been able to think up a way to make them useful you guys like so much. ; v; ♥ As of writing this, we're at 874 Supports and I hope it gets noticed soon. Thank you as well for the encouragement to help me keep this going.



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Posted on
2018-07-06 19:23:22
hoo boy i'm so glad this doesn't include the dreadful 'lEt ThEm BrEeD!1!1!'



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[△] Nadir (#108458)

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Posted on
2018-07-06 19:47:39
I honestly don't support letting sub males breed, and even if I did, it's been rejected already.



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Rainbow (#150536)

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2018-07-11 18:56:28
the Gathering Supplies should be able to also have the cub male lions join them for on extra collection with 1+ training experience (sometimes)
it makes it a little easier which Is something this game doesn't really go for, but it would be something to enjoy with training cubs and/or collecting supplies. but both the experience and the supplies would only be one.
that really just an idea but this definitely is an amazing idea for more uses for our wonderful sub males



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ᴍɪɴᴛʏ (#120195)

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2018-07-15 16:34:14
Congrats on the 0 No Supports and 900+ Supports!!

but, lets add another support to the pile.



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Khare (#61540)

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Posted on
2018-07-16 12:10:39
I can't fault this suggestion in any way at all. It would make having subs a lot more fulfilling, especially when having young kings already.



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LovelyInLace (#129426)

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2018-07-16 18:32:08
Yeah, I do think they need more uses.



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BeautifulBeast
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2018-07-17 01:19:30
Who tarnished the tally with that one no support! I swear to God man, it was probably some jerk.



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[△] Nadir (#108458)

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2018-07-17 01:28:28
BeautifulBeast (side) (#150473) :: Given how many people were commenting on it having zero no-supports, someone was bound to slap it "just because". I'm not mad though! The community pulled together to give this suggestion that overwhelmingly positive support ratio! ^^ ♥



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The Lurking Cryptid (#151436)

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Posted on
2018-07-17 21:45:27
In my opinion, this is such a good idea! All my sub males are doing is wasting my food supplies right now. By adding this, it would make subs way more beneficial. Thank you for adding this to a suggestion

Best regards,

~Windy



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[△] Nadir (#108458)

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2018-07-17 22:21:44
OtherWindy (#151436) :: No worries! I'm so glad you think it's good. ; v; ♥



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