Posted by Making Sub Males More Useful [3300+ Support]

[△] Nadir (#108458)

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2017-12-13 11:26:03
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✪ Summary:

Currently, Sub Males have very limited uses. They can be kept as Heirs. They can patrol and bring back stats and occasionally an item. And that's it really. So currently, there's really only one reason to keep a Sub Male: As an Heir you're training up. Anything else is just another mouth to feed and takes up a slot you likely don't need.

So how about we add some ways for them to be more useful?

✪ What I Am Proposing:

I thought it'd be neat if we could add additional little things Sub Males can do to be more directly beneficial to keep. Here's some ideas!

Sending them out to "Rough Up", "Seek Council" or "Stand Guard". This would be an action which is on a cool down. 1 hour cooldown, independent of normal patrol cooldown.

"Rough Up" would:
-----✧ Give flavor text about beating up local hyenas, a rival lion, or terrorizing local animals or humans.
-----✧ Give Evil Karma; A randomized amount between -1 and -5.
-----✧ Give either a randomized amount of EXP scaled to your King's Level OR a random amount of SB between 25 and 100.

"Seek Council" would:
-----✧ Give flavor text about meeting with other prides, speaking with Sangoma, or seeking council with Lion Shamans.
-----✧ Give Good Karma; A randomized amount between 1 and 5.
-----✧ Give either a randomized amount of EXP scaled to your King's Level OR a random amount of SB between 25 and 100.

"Stand Guard" would:
-----✧ Give flavor text about standing guard near the edges of your territory and whether they defended it or it was boring, or there was an interesting encounter.
-----✧ Give No Karma.
-----✧ Give either a randomized amount of EXP scaled to your King's Level OR a random amount of SB between 25 and 100.

Sending them out to "Gather Supplies". This would be an action which is on a cool down. 1 hour cooldown, independent of normal patrol cooldown.

"Gathering Supplies" would:
-----✧ Have a large chance of finding a random, common item (food or toy).
-----✧ Have a moderate chance of finding a random, common junk (there's an extensive list).
-----✧ Have a small chance of finding a common decor (Moonlight, Skull Decors, Feather Decors, etc.)
-----✧ Have a rare chance of finding a rare but not event exclusive decor (Up to Admins)
-----✧ Have a very rare chance of finding a stat item of any type (food or toy)

HOWEVER...
There will also be a chance (probably like 25% I would say) that your sub male brings nothing back at all. This is input suggested by Rhodalite (#123309) and I feel it makes a lot of sense! Similar to a Patrol where nothing is gained, or a hunt where your females bring back nothing (or a leg, like what the fuck, girls, there's five of you, c'mon), sometimes they just won't bring anything back and won't earn any SB. Maybe the locals kicked their ass? Who knows! Your king would still get EXP and karma, however.

You would likely be able to do only one of these two options at a time, to avoid making it too easy to gain things, but this is up to the Admins. I'd also recommend that you be able to both patrol and do one of these, since realistically, your lion could very well patrol while on his way to do these things. But you could also have two different Sub Males do these things, so you can patrol your Heir for stats and still make use of your other males!

Per aloiria [2.2K g1 uneven] (#168423)'s suggestion: Similar to patrolling submales, if a submale does any of these activities, it will render them unable to be sex changed into a female.

In addition to all of this, at the suggestion of 🌈Eli (#84653), I am proposing an actual use for the experience bar on Sub Males!

➤ When being sent to Gather Supplies, Rough Up, Seek Council, or Stand Guard, a Sub Male would gain experience the same as females sent out on a hunt.

✧ A Sub Male would level up at the same rate as adult female lionesses, in the same way as females (no stat gain from levels).
-----✧ At higher levels, a Sub Male would have a better chance of finding less common items.
-----✧ At higher levels, a Sub Male would have a better chance of finding more items at once. I propose no more than three, with each item's rarity being rolled individually of one another. This means that finding one rare item but finding more than one does not mean all of them will be rare items, but rather one. The chances of finding multiple rare items at once would be very low.

If a sub male fails to bring anything back, he will still get experience, but I would suggest it be a much lower amount.

With daily type deals such as hunting and patrolling, we feel it is also important that there are reminder notifications. KiwiBerb (#140009) has reminded me of this, and I'm adding it.

➤ In order to prevent a flood of spam in regards to different types of notices regarding these activities, perhaps it might be good to 'stack' them. In this way, if a male is back from patrol, but ALSO a male has returned from, say, gathering supplies, it would display a notification for both at once, otherwise, it will display one or the other. Streamlining the player's experience is important! ... As is not getting buried under too many stacked notices!

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DISCUSSION TOPIC FOR FEEDBACK:
How would you guys feel about limiting it to 10 times a day with 10 SB per extra option, same as lionesses with hunts? Anyone wanna weigh in?
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POTENTIAL IDEA CONSIDERATION:
Submitted by Rae (#148083) :: A VERY small chance that you receive the message "SubMale was unsuccessful. He fell asleep during his patrol and bugs climbed in his mane!" or similar. You would receive 1-3 of the beetles for ANY months event (regardless of what month we are in) but ONLY the beetle currency and nothing else.
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If you have ideas for other things that could make Sub Males more useful, please let me know in the comments and I'll review it and talk about it with you, maybe even add it!

If you don't support, I'd like to know why. I appreciate constructive criticism over a simple "no".



This suggestion has 3333 supports and 13 NO supports.



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Edited on 06/03/24 @ 23:49:09 by [♰] Yharnam (#112370)

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2022-05-29 21:34:39
Hey!for the “Rough up”since you said like fighting,I think a cool detail that is likely to happen irl it that they have a 2-5% chance to die!but Note:it’s extremely low,so that’s really rare,



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[♰] Yharnam (#112370)

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2022-05-29 21:41:18
Rusty (#272244): While the input is appreciated, I am not in favor of adding any mechanics which might result in death, since I don't want to deter people from using this function. Thank you for the feedback, though!



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Posted on
2022-05-29 21:42:31
Ahh makes sense!yw tho



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Posted on
2022-05-31 17:05:01
it'd be also cool if there was a way to make sub males breedable with your own lionesses.. it would also turn easier to keep a heritage clean, but pure



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Posted on
2022-05-31 17:11:55
DUDE TO MONA,YES IVE ALWAYS WANTED TO DO THIS



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roseashes (#213251)


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Posted on
2022-05-31 17:13:46
YES YES YES OML



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2022-05-31 20:35:31
Breedable sub males were rejected long long ago, check the list of auto-rejected suggestions.



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[♰] Yharnam (#112370)

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2022-05-31 20:59:36
Yeah, this was purposefully created to be different from the 'breedable submales' suggestions.



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2022-08-17 21:05:16
I do think this is a good idea, and I love how constructed it is!



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<3 Seth <3 (#313297)

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2023-04-23 12:26:19
I love this idea! I have two sub males that I have just gathering dust really. I only keep them because they were gifts. I just wish they could do so much more :l I would love this idea to be added to the game! ^^ Good job on making it



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[♰] Yharnam (#112370)

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Posted on
2023-04-23 12:33:22
Thank you so much for the feedback!



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<3 Seth <3 (#313297)

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2023-04-23 12:33:43
No problem at all! ^^



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Rango (#334921)


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Posted on
2023-05-13 15:36:49
I think a cool idea would be to bring them along while exploring! I forgot which event character was able to follow you in explore and help battle... but similar to that!

Under explore there could be a toggle: bring sub male with you?

Funny flavor text: "a lioness walks past you, and gives you a strange look. You might have been able to talk to her, but she thinks its strange to spend so much time with another male."
"You come across a deep ravine. Looks like there could be something down there! It's a little too intimidating for you, so you send down your sub male. He comes back pissed off and covered in dirt, but you manage to pick some silver beetles off of his fur"
"Your sub male groans 'UGH I'm so tired' after some back and forth, he convinces you to rest in the shade for just a second. +5 energy"



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[♰] Yharnam (#112370)

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Posted on
2023-05-13 18:02:52
I think that's actually a fantastic idea. Maybe once a day for 30 minutes, you could bring them along. Perhaps even bringing a submale could have boons, like picking what items to have him be on the lookout for: Herbs, Gems, Toys, Carcasses; in addiction to a little boost in battle.

I think it could be nice if we translated this into his experience bar mattering before he was grown. Maybe it fills in combat, and every time you level him up, you get 5 stats, same as when you level up Dreamboat. Perhaps the higher his level, it increases his boost in battle a little bit.

This is a very fun way to incoporate your sub-males that I hadn't ever thought of.

Thank you SO much, Adam!



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Hati (#413308)

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2023-12-26 17:46:18
Yesssssss please they need more action, other than patrolling/sires they are useless.



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