Posted by Making Sub Males More Useful [3300+ Support]

[△] Nadir (#108458)

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2017-12-13 11:26:03
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✪ Summary:

Currently, Sub Males have very limited uses. They can be kept as Heirs. They can patrol and bring back stats and occasionally an item. And that's it really. So currently, there's really only one reason to keep a Sub Male: As an Heir you're training up. Anything else is just another mouth to feed and takes up a slot you likely don't need.

So how about we add some ways for them to be more useful?

✪ What I Am Proposing:

I thought it'd be neat if we could add additional little things Sub Males can do to be more directly beneficial to keep. Here's some ideas!

Sending them out to "Rough Up", "Seek Council" or "Stand Guard". This would be an action which is on a cool down. 1 hour cooldown, independent of normal patrol cooldown.

"Rough Up" would:
-----✧ Give flavor text about beating up local hyenas, a rival lion, or terrorizing local animals or humans.
-----✧ Give Evil Karma; A randomized amount between -1 and -5.
-----✧ Give either a randomized amount of EXP scaled to your King's Level OR a random amount of SB between 25 and 100.

"Seek Council" would:
-----✧ Give flavor text about meeting with other prides, speaking with Sangoma, or seeking council with Lion Shamans.
-----✧ Give Good Karma; A randomized amount between 1 and 5.
-----✧ Give either a randomized amount of EXP scaled to your King's Level OR a random amount of SB between 25 and 100.

"Stand Guard" would:
-----✧ Give flavor text about standing guard near the edges of your territory and whether they defended it or it was boring, or there was an interesting encounter.
-----✧ Give No Karma.
-----✧ Give either a randomized amount of EXP scaled to your King's Level OR a random amount of SB between 25 and 100.

Sending them out to "Gather Supplies". This would be an action which is on a cool down. 1 hour cooldown, independent of normal patrol cooldown.

"Gathering Supplies" would:
-----✧ Have a large chance of finding a random, common item (food or toy).
-----✧ Have a moderate chance of finding a random, common junk (there's an extensive list).
-----✧ Have a small chance of finding a common decor (Moonlight, Skull Decors, Feather Decors, etc.)
-----✧ Have a rare chance of finding a rare but not event exclusive decor (Up to Admins)
-----✧ Have a very rare chance of finding a stat item of any type (food or toy)

HOWEVER...
There will also be a chance (probably like 25% I would say) that your sub male brings nothing back at all. This is input suggested by Rhodalite (#123309) and I feel it makes a lot of sense! Similar to a Patrol where nothing is gained, or a hunt where your females bring back nothing (or a leg, like what the fuck, girls, there's five of you, c'mon), sometimes they just won't bring anything back and won't earn any SB. Maybe the locals kicked their ass? Who knows! Your king would still get EXP and karma, however.

You would likely be able to do only one of these two options at a time, to avoid making it too easy to gain things, but this is up to the Admins. I'd also recommend that you be able to both patrol and do one of these, since realistically, your lion could very well patrol while on his way to do these things. But you could also have two different Sub Males do these things, so you can patrol your Heir for stats and still make use of your other males!

Per aloiria [2.2K g1 uneven] (#168423)'s suggestion: Similar to patrolling submales, if a submale does any of these activities, it will render them unable to be sex changed into a female.

In addition to all of this, at the suggestion of 🌈Eli (#84653), I am proposing an actual use for the experience bar on Sub Males!

➤ When being sent to Gather Supplies, Rough Up, Seek Council, or Stand Guard, a Sub Male would gain experience the same as females sent out on a hunt.

✧ A Sub Male would level up at the same rate as adult female lionesses, in the same way as females (no stat gain from levels).
-----✧ At higher levels, a Sub Male would have a better chance of finding less common items.
-----✧ At higher levels, a Sub Male would have a better chance of finding more items at once. I propose no more than three, with each item's rarity being rolled individually of one another. This means that finding one rare item but finding more than one does not mean all of them will be rare items, but rather one. The chances of finding multiple rare items at once would be very low.

If a sub male fails to bring anything back, he will still get experience, but I would suggest it be a much lower amount.

With daily type deals such as hunting and patrolling, we feel it is also important that there are reminder notifications. KiwiBerb (#140009) has reminded me of this, and I'm adding it.

➤ In order to prevent a flood of spam in regards to different types of notices regarding these activities, perhaps it might be good to 'stack' them. In this way, if a male is back from patrol, but ALSO a male has returned from, say, gathering supplies, it would display a notification for both at once, otherwise, it will display one or the other. Streamlining the player's experience is important! ... As is not getting buried under too many stacked notices!

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DISCUSSION TOPIC FOR FEEDBACK:
How would you guys feel about limiting it to 10 times a day with 10 SB per extra option, same as lionesses with hunts? Anyone wanna weigh in?
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POTENTIAL IDEA CONSIDERATION:
Submitted by Rae (#148083) :: A VERY small chance that you receive the message "SubMale was unsuccessful. He fell asleep during his patrol and bugs climbed in his mane!" or similar. You would receive 1-3 of the beetles for ANY months event (regardless of what month we are in) but ONLY the beetle currency and nothing else.
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If you have ideas for other things that could make Sub Males more useful, please let me know in the comments and I'll review it and talk about it with you, maybe even add it!

If you don't support, I'd like to know why. I appreciate constructive criticism over a simple "no".



This suggestion has 3333 supports and 13 NO supports.



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Edited on 06/03/24 @ 23:49:09 by [♰] Yharnam (#112370)

♔Desire♔ ~NSP (#36346)

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Posted on
2017-12-14 19:02:17
I wish you could do something with all your subs at once, because generally you end up focusing on one male until you find a better one (usually)



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True-Fly (#114544)

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Posted on
2017-12-17 06:05:19
Love this idea. SUPPORT



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Beta {Clean
Interstellar} (#90022)

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Posted on
2017-12-17 10:22:50
Lovely idea, support <3



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[△] Nadir (#108458)

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Posted on
2017-12-17 10:51:55
Thank you so much to everyone who has supported already! We're already over 200 supports and that is incredible!



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Jupiter (#140774)

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Posted on
2018-05-24 09:22:37
I support it and other option to add that is maybe breeding, you could have the option of breeding your king or sub male, just an idea but yours is amazing



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Ezgati~Crazy Panther
Lady~🐆 (#28391)

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Posted on
2018-05-25 00:57:49
@Jupiter- I hate to disappoint you but idea of sub male studding is rejected from the beginning by game owners. You can check it here



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[△] Nadir (#108458)

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Posted on
2018-05-25 01:33:03
I actually don't support sub males being able to stud, even if it wasn't a rejected suggestion. I feel it'd take away from the entire reason we have kings and kind of invalidate why sub males are SUB males. Sub males are inherently 'inferior' just by the title and I really support them staying that way even on the off chance that Xy were to change his mind.



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SnootyCupid (#87143)

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Posted on
2018-05-26 08:45:25
I feel like Stand Guard and Gather Supplies is just kind of taking two parts of what patrolling already does and separating them? I think the only difference is that your idea would give EXP and/or impression to the king rather than stats to the sub. But other than that I still like these ideas a lot so you have my support!!



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[△] Nadir (#108458)

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2018-05-26 08:55:08
Chat Noir (#87143) :: Yeah one of the ideas was like, normal patrolling is for training and stat boosting, but the rest is for daily use items, SB and EXP and karma. So that way they are different enough functions, but the other two still let you do the secondary function of item gathering. On its own, patrolling as it is doesn't reliably produce very much in the way of useful supplies. Also tweaking the cooldown on this to make it more practical.



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SnootyCupid (#87143)

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Posted on
2018-05-26 09:22:01
@vincent ; Ahhh that's fair enough! These could definitely be useful and like everyone else has said, it gives our lovely subs more uses other than standing there and looking pretty.



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Lady Brightcynder (#136169)

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Posted on
2018-06-17 14:47:33
Yes! Absolutely! Especially gathering items!



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AimPyre | G2
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Posted on
2018-06-17 14:52:34
YES PLEASE.

My boy Aquilo needs something else to do rather than sit there and look pretty, 'cause I ain't using him as an heir so he's worthless except looking at and patrolling (the rare times I remember to send him patrolling), and whenever I do patrol him he brings back jack shit anyways.

This update would make submales everywhere rejoice pls @ mods look at this



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LittleAntler [BLM] (#30151)


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Posted on
2018-06-17 15:59:14
Please, yes, I need this. I need a reason to keep a submale around to train cubs without just having him sit there like a useless pile of fluff



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Ali (#80161)

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Posted on
2018-06-26 18:59:23
Another way to make it harder for this to be too easy would be to limit the number of times a person could do this in a day



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SneakyCryptid (#26787)

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Posted on
2018-06-28 02:05:02
I like this idea. Would give me a reason to keep submales



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