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2018-07-07 17:13:17
There are so many ugly and some very disturbing suggestions here... so I thought of why not a cute pleasing to the eyes "mutation"!
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*changed name to β€œneotenous” (used to be called "petite")
other name: "insular dwarfism"



It’s a smaller lion (and cuter)
-Maybe the size of a leopard or cheetah?
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-It would be healthy and breed-able. Can be Kinged.
-Inheritable? Can be passed down by both mother and father. ?
-It will be for all age stages. Doesn't need to have different artwork for newborn and young cub, 'cause those are already small (that artwork could be resized smaller, if needed).

The effect it could have in game-play could be:
- That it has less chance when catching big preys (on its one it cannot), but more likely to catch small preys.
- It is harder to breed, more chance to fail breeding, and if bred with Primal there's a 50 chance of cub mortality even with nesting (Primals are huge). *But if this coding is too much trouble then just make them not able to breed with Primals and 25-50% chance of failing breeding for "small" male studs with any non-"small", (females already have a fertility %).
- Shorter gestation periods and sexually mature faster. (took that from wikipedia.) *could be hard to code, so ignore it?
- Stat penalty.

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Neoteny: "Some common neotenous physical traits in domesticated animals (mainly dogs, pigs, ferrets, cats, and even foxes) include: floppy ears, changes in reproductive cycle, curly tails, piebald coloration, fewer or shortened vertebra, large eyes, rounded forehead, large ears, and shortened muzzle."(from wikipedia) Neoteny is very common in humans!

This suggestion only refers to mammalian neoteny, and neoteny does not affect every physical traits in all cases:
neoteny = the retention of some juvenile characteristics in adulthood

So in theory, these lions can have normal full manes.

The neotenous lion doesn't need to have shorter gestations and mature sexually faster.

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Insular dwarfism
the "pygmy elephant" is a good example click and info: click

In looks It's not identical to the "dwarfism" mutation here, because the body is proportionate, limbs will be average or slightly shorter but not really noticeable. (Made edit pics to show that. above.)
This type can be healthy and have a life span similar to their bigger relatives (both the pygmy elephants and asian-african elephants can live up to 70 years, and the pygmy sexually matures faster:10yrs. vs14yrs)


*Got another idea: what if you can get this mutation when breeding with dwarfs?
(edit: Not, 'cause insular dwarfism is completely different from that type of dwarfism that actually deforms the body proportions. and insular dwarfism is evolution/species adapting to an environment.)
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Lioden includes Madagascar? (click) so pygmy lions can be a thing here...?

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I'm not suggesting amphibian's paedomorphosis (or for this "mutation" to be called Paedomorphosis.) Axolotl are pedomorphic species, but they are not described with the word neoteny (click)

Info! :D (from encyclopedia britannica)
Paedomorphosis: "retention by an organism of juvenile or even larval traits into later life. There are two aspects of paedomorphosis: acceleration of sexual maturation relative to the rest of development (progenesis) and retardation of bodily development with respect to the onset of reproductive activity (neoteny).

Classic examples include certain amphibian species in which development is arrested so that the larval form and aquatic habit persist as the organism attains sexual maturity and becomes capable of reproduction. In some species only a few morphological features are retarded, but the number of features retarded may differ from species to species. Adult humans, for example, display various neotenic body features that other adult primates do not.
In other species all morphological development is retarded; the organism is juvenilized but sexually mature. Such shifts of reproductive capability would appear to have adaptive significance to organisms that exhibit it. In terms of evolutionary theory, the process of paedomorphosis suggests that larval stages and developmental phases of existing organisms may give rise, under certain circumstances, to wholly new organisms."

Source: (click)

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It seems, the difference between neoteny and insular dwarfism, (of mammals), is that:
neoteny usually is that juvenile-like traits are being selected for/ passed down) and insular dwarfism happens in isolated groups.

Both seem to be gradual mutations/evolution. both natural and artificial selection pass down the traits of juvenile appearance and smaller size. but in some cases retention of juvenile appearance can be sudden..?

In both, it shouldn't really affect the mane growth, since these animals sexually mature, manes are sexual characteristic, example:
insular dwarfish= pygmy elephants have tusks; and neoteny= human have beards and body-hair (scarce beards/bodyhair is seen in asians, but many do have full long beards).
Mane size and fullness is dependent on its own genes and on hormones mostly.

Lets imagine its a barbary-mane pygmy/neotenous lion? xD

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On how to obtains these small lions:
If it's not considered a random mutation maybe this could be the scenarios:
- Your lion bred with a mystery pygmy/neotenous lion and got an offspring. like with the hybrids(Leopons).
- A Rapid evolution like the Primals are (they are rapid-devolution?). Mutie on Demand?
- *You encounter a pygmy/neotenous lioness in explore and claim like the NCLs. Could be during an event only, like the groupies? Or a Raffle lioness. (in this case it will be a special "mutie" only obtained like these?)

*Mutations in these game are not always true mutations, hybrids and ancestrals(evolving back) are called mutations here. Not every "mutation" needs to be super realistic.

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Maybe could be the ofspring of that? πŸ˜‚ (t'is a joke)

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Let’s make Lioden Cute! (some balance is needed, its too gory and gruesome)

(It would be awesome it could be bought at some time like a Mutie on Demand item)



This suggestion has 1423 supports and 220 NO supports.



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Edited on 20/07/18 @ 13:01:19 by Zizi πŸ₯€ (#12402)

Karmo (#98909)

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2018-07-07 22:07:34
Then it would be a variation of Dwarf, but it will still be a Dwarf, not a smaller normal lion.



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2018-07-07 22:09:57
Sure, whatever ^_^ as long as it can be added.



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2018-07-07 22:14:25
But the thing is: most Dwarves are the same height, all under 4'11. Which means that the dwarf you put up there would have to be the same size or even smaller. Like a munchkin possibly, but that isn't a cute thing because munchkin animals suffer from sever back problems which causes immobility when they're older.



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2018-07-07 22:23:12
No support from me, just too similar to a dwarf lion to me and we already have a dwarf variation(I believe) happening in the form of primordial dwarfism.



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2018-07-07 22:26:12
It would be considered mild dwarfism, the one in game seems to be a moderate dwarfism? I guess muchkins get severe dwarfism.



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2018-07-07 22:28:10
There isn't really "mild" dwarfism. It's either dwarfism or not. Munchkins are different from Dwarves because they were bred to be that, but they are both similar for being short, that's why I compared them.



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2018-07-07 22:31:19
Variations of dwarfism are already happening, though they probably won't even be this year because tigons are higher priority, plus some other mutations are above it. Better to wait for the dwarf variations and then suggest a variation. Still no support because the main want for this seems to be solely 'it's cute'.



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2018-07-07 22:32:26
Manti, that one dies and is useless in this game of breeding and hunting. The one I suggest is completely different and useful. It has the advantage of hunting small prey more often because of its size and lives a full life.



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2018-07-07 22:33:46
And Primals are here solely cause they "cool".



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2018-07-07 22:39:21
Primals were based off of saber toothed cats I believe, and have a place in lioden lore, hinted at in last month's event in which bast mentions primal lions and there's primal lions in the hieroglyphs.



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2018-07-07 22:44:40
We have Primal from the Jan event, a mutation caused from going back to old habits, de-evolving it. Primal variations exist in real life, so it wouldn't be a surprise if the Primal lions started becoming like other Primals, more recent ones.
Dwarfism all have something in common: they're smaller than normal, all around the same height.
If you want a dwarf variation, then make one that's based off a real variation.
Primordial dwarfism actually exists, in which people do die earlier, around the age of 30 or so. But it's hard to make a variation of Dwarfism because there's over 200 of them, and some are even unique to certain people or families.



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2018-07-07 22:44:47
I can't support this. It doesn't really have much of a purpose, nor is it really a mutation that meshes as much as everything else. It is cute, but I don't see there being a reason, or a payoff, with as much work as this would take.



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2018-07-07 22:48:39
well then "Petites are based on a rare breed deep in the jungles of african that have been isolated for centuries and became smaller, but the land was changed by a natural disaster and the petite lions could finally leave the deep forest. And some male petite lions go looking to make a new pride and met with these large lioness and bred. Time passes and you get cubbies but then you notice your lion is smaller then most, turns out your lioness got herself a petite mate"



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well then "Petites are based on a rare breed deep in the jungles of african that have been isolated for centuries and became smaller, but the land was changed by a natural disaster and the petite lions could finally leave the deep forest. And some male petite lions go looking to make a new pride and met with these large lioness and bred. Time passes and you get cubbies but then you notice your lion is smaller then most, turns out your lioness got herself a petite mate"



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2018-07-07 22:57:47
.....only you missed the 'primal variations exist in real life' part and are just making something up as an excuse for this. Petite is not a mutation. There are genetic disorders where the body does not absorb nutrients or calories properly, making people smaller and extremely thin, but if this was a mutation in lioden it would be deadly, and not aesthetically pleasing.



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