Posted by [Nov] Shaman Quests: An Exercise in RNG Futility

[△] Nadir (#108458)

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2020-11-02 01:09:08
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✪ Summary:

Shaman Piety is an extremely limited currency. Unlike almost every other quest in every Lioden event - potentially *every* other quest - Shaman Quests cannot be properly skipped without detriment to the player. Other quests allow you to skip a quest if it proves too hard. You pay an event beetle fee or SB to be given a new, random quest and you move on with life.

Not so with Shamans. If you skip a quest, you permanently lose a quest for the day. And if you get multiple quests you can't complete, well you're out of luck.

With the sheer amount of new encounters being added to the game constantly - both event and normal encounters - it continuously weighs the RNG odds of getting the correct encounter AGAINST the player. There is also a very incredibly obvious mechanic in place that makes certain encounters - if not all - harder to find if the quest seeking it is active.

After 6 or 7 energy bars, you should have found your quest encounter by now, but that's not the case. But after skipping the quest, miraculously, what you were looking for shows up.

Frankly, this is getting absurd.

✪ What I Am Proposing:

[+] Add a Scarab Beetle 're-roll quest' option instead of a total skip.
[+] DO NOT give players the same quest they just skipped.

I'm suggesting this amount be 10 Scarab Beetles. This month gives low currency drops and if you repeatedly get a quest you can't do, it'll be pricy, but at least you won't be locked out of quests entirely because it continues to ask you to look for that dumb cow or those humans you haven't seen even once since the event started.

You get 2-3 Piety per quest, and the big ticket Piety rewards for many players are Ancestral Markings. It takes thirty (30) to apply a single marking. That's 5-ish days worth of work assuming you can even complete every quest. If you can only complete 2, it stretches into 10 days.



Edit Log:
[ ADDED] 11/23/2020: DO NOT give players the same quest they just skipped.
Since there is an issue with multiple quests through the game already doing this, I'm politely requesting that if this change is implemented, it doesn't give players the same quest they skipped.

[UPDATE] 11/19/2022: LioDevs have added the following encounter as of November 2022:

However, despite it being added, some have reported rarely finding this encounter. It may not be sufficient.

Quote: "Huge support. I know they implemented the Ahihia encounter BUT I never encountered her even once in the entirety of November. At all. And I am a hardcore player, I roll every day and play for hours. So either the chance of getting the encounter is so low that it’s not even useful, or they messed up and didn’t implement it right. Either way, there DEFINITELY needs to be options for those quests bc it there were days in November where I went 12 hours of constant exploring and never got the one I needed" -via Chow.Hound (#162617)

I myself only encountered her once.
If you don't support, I'd like to know why. I appreciate constructive criticism over a simple "no".



This suggestion has 562 supports and 5 NO supports.



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Edited on 06/12/22 @ 18:29:25 by [△] Nadir (#108458)

kwitter (#194232)

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2020-11-09 11:44:19
this has my full support-- finding herbs and specific encounters is near IMPOSSIBLE and my efforts to save sb have been wasted flinging my money at the bushbaby for herbs that all of a sudden manifest in explore when i dont even need them-- tier 1 of the shaman shop better have some sick items for all that damn effort



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Slade (#36600)

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2020-11-10 13:23:01
I had so much fun not being able to get any of the quests done on my side account and only one on this account. How exciting to be disappointed day after day!!



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Gremlin's Hotel (#130033)

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2020-11-11 08:38:01
Supporting because the other day I wasted literally 7 bars of energy without finding the Sick Antelope encounter. As soon as I gave up the quest, because wasting 7 full bars of energy without finding it is infuriating, I found the damn thing. I wanted to legitimately throw something right then.

EDIT: This issue makes me sad since November was the month I joined Lioden and as such I've always had an unconditional love for November's event. I only wish there was more substance to it to perhaps make up for the futility of doing quests sometimes. But that's a thought for another time.



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Edited on 11/11/20 @ 08:45:23 by Gremlins_Hotel (#130033)

[△] Nadir (#108458)

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2020-11-11 15:01:00
Thank you for sharing your experiences, guys. I'm so sorry this is affecting so many. Please feel free to bump and share this. I'll continue to do so myself.

I dunno if it's a guarantee, but my girlfriend and I have found that we seem to have fewer issues with Tefnut. ):



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kwitter (#194232)

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2020-11-12 01:03:19
yea- i noticed that, too; i used to be on sphinx's quests before i moved onto tefnut, and her quests are a lot more easier to complete all of a sudden, i heard she's meant to be the "good" one between the shaman trio, but i don't know for certain



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Emerald (#15750)

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2020-11-12 08:13:00
Was able to find the injured lioness CONSTANTLY in explore before quests but now when I'm one a quest for her she doesn't appear at all. :/

Consider this a simple update on my pain.



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[△] Nadir (#108458)

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2020-11-13 17:37:03
Quote from news post today:
Poll Results - Sangoma Tefnut definitely appears to be the majority favourite. Now, would that be because her quests might be easier, or is that Tefnut x Tefnut encounter pulling some extra love her way?

It's really disheartening to see and I don't wanna believe this feels mocking but... whatever. Let's keep pushing this. 200 Supports is the next goal.

For those still having trouble: Tefnut's quests seem to be the easiest so far. So try that if you're hurting on RNG encounters for the others.



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Emerald (#15750)

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2020-11-15 12:15:18
Tefnut has 6 explore quests which is one more than the others who both have 5 in both explore AND item quests.
That's one more explore encounter that won't pop up when you need it and one less super easy item quest. Idk how her quests are "easier" by comparison when they are as victim to the bullshit RNG as the rest. They certainly aren't "easier" for me. :/ I think it's just that people love the double Tefnut thing she has in her encounter Devs.

God I'm tired. I'm just gonna turn off the November event forever from this point on, or just gather beetles and don't do the quests. Good day everyone. Hope you have better luck than me.



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Edited on 15/11/20 @ 12:24:07 by Emerald (#15750)

[△] Nadir (#108458)

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2020-11-15 23:09:32
Sorry it got this bad for you emerald ): and im sorry you havent had luck. please take care



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Umbrafen (#4888)

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2020-11-17 13:18:10
Still having trouble with this. I think it might help if we were at least allowed to do quests concurrently rather than being blocked from the others until we complete/give up on the current one. I'm finding that when it gets late in the day and I haven't even managed to find the objective for the first quest, I'm having to gamble whether or not it's worth keeping since it's holding me back from doing the other, potentially easier, quests. Lots of missed piety with how things are right now!



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Gremlin's Hotel (#130033)

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2020-11-17 13:28:55
Tefnut's quests had been working for me for a few days, and now I'm starting to experience the same type of frustration that I had been having with others. I'm missing out on so much piety, I've been having to give up at least one per day because of an explore encounter that I simply cannot find. The ones I've had the most issue in finding have been the sick antelope or the sunset memorial, neither show up for me whether their respective quest is active or not.



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kwitter (#194232)

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2020-11-17 13:51:52
november's event is just beating all of us into a pulp hopefully, december is much more easier to deal with and doesn't make us all wanna tear our fur off



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epoch (#10804)


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2020-11-17 13:55:14
I've been having a good week, getting all 3 quests done within a couple of energy bars. Today I'm struggling. I've only done one quest, I gave up on finding the ancestral mound after probably five or six hours? and now I'm stuck on finding the graveyard. At this point I'm going to wait for my energy to fill up before I go to bed and if I don't get it I'm gonna have to skip that one too.



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kwitter (#194232)

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2020-11-17 13:57:10
the main pain is having to skip a quest and miss out on peity; how on earth did we go from the absolute bop that was october's event to.. to THIS i've been trying to participate to unlock tiers faster, but not even that seems worth while since the decors are.. kindasorta lame at worst, and that im only really in it for the base, mane and marking apps



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Gremlin's Hotel (#130033)

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2020-11-17 13:59:25
I know it's unrelated to this post, but I've always had a love for the Nov event just because it was the month I joined. I just wish there was perhaps a storyline we could follow, similar to June's with the three NPC shamans to follow, each with their own unique quests. And updated art, a lot of the November stuff is on the older side.

Some of the decors are a little... lame, to try and be nice. There are some good ones, though.



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